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Ian
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21st Apr 06 at 20:40   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/21/moderator_liable_for_comments/

While this is not UK law and therefore doesn't directly affect this web site, its close enough for me to worry me a bit. I'm quite happy with the state of moderation at present and don't really feel it needs any immediate work, but I would ask that every considers that they have two responsibilities under this new ruling, firstly to not post anything too bad but secondly and most importantly to make a member of the moderation team aware if anything needs looking at.

The underlying tone of that ruling is basically that sites should have someone on hand 24 hours a day, which is a problem as thats actually rather impossible unless we're employing people properly. As we don't, I'll settle for people not dicking about while there's no staff on. The choice is that or we close when the mods go to bed, which is not somewhere I want to go.
PaulW
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Unless certain trouble makers are dealt with Ian, I can see this becomming an increasing issue in the future.

Still, its another step forward to restricting peoples freedom of speech rights!
Nath
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Blimey, and I thought England was fast turning into a Nanny state....
Ian
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Its all about risk, yes.

It doesn't affect us yet, but it will only need one forum to go to court to seal the deal for this country as well.
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quote:
Originally posted by Nath
Blimey, and I thought England was fast turning into a Nanny state....


ditto
Ian
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Thats not a new thing, forum staff have always been liable, its just that in the past you were OK so long as made efforts to remove stuff which you were aware of.

This ruling means you have to go looking for it as well, not knowing about stuff isn't a defence.
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21st Apr 06 at 20:50   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
is it the moderators perosnally who are held responsible or the site?
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cant you do something with a modbot type set up to pick up on certain words/ topics and alert you Ian?

i know thats not ideal, but its cheaper than paying people to moderate permanently
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Is this the incentive for you to tackle the recently discussed banning process Ian ?
Jules S
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Ian,

I cant see CS being troubled by this tbh.
vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
Unless certain trouble makers are dealt with Ian, I can see this becomming an increasing issue in the future.

Still, its another step forward to restricting peoples freedom of speech rights!



not really. its trying to stop people from inciting (sp) violence and hate towards other people.
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
Unless certain trouble makers are dealt with Ian, I can see this becomming an increasing issue in the future.

Still, its another step forward to restricting peoples freedom of speech rights!



not really. its trying to stop people from inciting (sp) violence and hate towards other people.


No not really.

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The case started with a forum member of German news site Heise Online, who posted a script in order to disrupt the business practices of Universal Boards. This Munich company has been widely criticised for allegedly distributing premium rate internet dialers. Universal Boards was also accused of buying up domain names that expired, and then using those domains for advertising porn, including a site that was previously owned by a German Volunteer Firemen's Association.


This is hardly a news site is it???

And as for buying expired domain names for advertising pron they deserve to be 'disrupted'

Sounds like german legal stupidity imo
Ian
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The bit that worried me was this:

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The new ruling means if operators do not have enough in-house resources to monitor forums, they should "reduce the scope of their business operations".
vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
The bit that worried me was this:

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The new ruling means if operators do not have enough in-house resources to monitor forums, they should "reduce the scope of their business operations".



only ever been that one case when CS was off line for about 6 weeks lol

Its not something that would seriously come into effect in this country though or are you moving servers to some island in the pacific
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
The bit that worried me was this:

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The new ruling means if operators do not have enough in-house resources to monitor forums, they should "reduce the scope of their business operations".


Bad translation maybe?

Anyways its not as if you get corporate slander here.

No need to panic yet methinks
mav
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Not an issue yet but

vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by mav
Not an issue yet but



means your ass is grass herr chavy mav
mav
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Jas
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cs went offline for 6 weeks! dont ever do that to me ian!
Sam
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There is a life outside of CS you know...
Matt H
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Who wants to be a mod now then?
Matt H
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam
There is a life outside of CS you know...


I'm guessing somebody told you this by email....

 
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