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Craig W

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Registered: 31st Oct 00
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27th Jan 06 at 18:28

Im a Prisoner Escort at a Crown Court, basically i sit in court with prisoners whilst they're on trial, getting sentenced etc. Obviously the custodies come from prison so we have a cell area where they're banged up when not in court.

I love the job, something different everyday etc but i seriously fear for my safety

We have 10 officers, 4 males and 6 females. One of the males is 63 years old, one is 19 years old and about 7 stone dripping wet, and the other can hardly speak English and is completley useless.
My problem is this, because im the biggest male all the staff look to me when it comes to a kick off, and we have prisoners kick off numerous times a week... refusing to get back in their cell, refusing to get on the prison van etc.
Today was an excellent example. We had a guy in today - extremley violent, enjoys violence more than sex, mentally ill, and sees all males as a threat. He's looking at a life sentence as he's an extreme danger to the public so has nothing to lose. The solution to the many potential problems: Craig has to take him to court. He didnt want to go back to the prison he came from as he has a problem with all the officers there - he's also up for ABH on an officer because he knocked him out cold. It took 15 officers to restrain him and he caused that many problems they had to put the prison on lockdown. He didnt have a choice where he was going, he had to go back - the solution: Craig can give him the bad news.

Now, what the f*ck could i have done if he'd have kicked off because basically i was his nanny all day. I certainly didn't have faith in the staff behind me. For guys like this in the past, police have brought people to court in full riot gear: shields, batons, CS spray etc... the prison officers have lots of back up in regards to officers, but they get batons etc too... oh no but not me. What do i have? F*ck all

As i say i love the job but having to single handidly deal with murderers, mentally ill violent psycho's day in day out is annoying to say the least.

Sorry for the rant

Melville

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Registered: 4th Jun 03
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
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27th Jan 06 at 18:32

IS there no one that you could air these problems to if you love the job so much?

Jake

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Registered: 24th Jan 05
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27th Jan 06 at 18:32

Did you not want to work on the doors full time?

Ian

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Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
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27th Jan 06 at 18:33

Nutters.

At least they're free from weapons etc.? If you were meeting these guys on the street they could be carrying anything.

Martin

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Registered: 15th Mar 04
Location: Dumpstable Drives: Aztec Sxi
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27th Jan 06 at 19:02

its pays for that sexual car though

Cant you suggest getting more/better collegues to work with?

chris-sri

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27th Jan 06 at 19:16

Or let the young lad deal with something a bit lairy (with you there just in case it gets dangerous.) If he thinks you're going to leave him in it he might shoot himself and get down the gym.

Ally

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Registered: 2nd Jul 03
Location: Pontypool Drives: a Skoda
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27th Jan 06 at 19:22

If he was a dog, he would of been put down by now

Robbo

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27th Jan 06 at 19:24

quote:
Originally posted by Craig W
Im a Prisoner Escort at a Crown Court, basically i sit in court with prisoners whilst they're on trial, getting sentenced etc. Obviously the custodies come from prison so we have a cell area where they're banged up when not in court.

I love the job, something different everyday etc but i seriously fear for my safety We have 10 officers, 4 males and 6 females. One of the males is 63 years old, one is 19 years old and about 7 stone dripping wet, and the other can hardly speak English and is completley useless.
My problem is this, because im the biggest male all the staff look to me when it comes to a kick off, and we have prisoners kick off numerous times a week... refusing to get back in their cell, refusing to get on the prison van etc.
Today was an excellent example. We had a guy in today - extremley violent, enjoys violence more than sex, mentally ill, and sees all males as a threat. He's looking at a life sentence as he's an extreme danger to the public so has nothing to lose. The solution to the many potential problems: Craig has to take him to court. He didnt want to go back to the prison he came from as he has a problem with all the officers there - he's also up for ABH on an officer because he knocked him out cold. It took 15 officers to restrain him and he caused that many problems they had to put the prison on lockdown. He didnt have a choice where he was going, he had to go back - the solution: Craig can give him the bad news.

Now, what the f*ck could i have done if he'd have kicked off because basically i was his nanny all day. I certainly didn't have faith in the staff behind me. For guys like this in the past, police have brought people to court in full riot gear: shields, batons, CS spray etc... the prison officers have lots of back up in regards to officers, but they get batons etc too... oh no but not me. What do i have? F*ck all

As i say i love the job but having to single handidly deal with murderers, mentally ill violent psycho's day in day out is annoying to say the least.

Sorry for the rant

Fuck off u love it

scoob

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Registered: 16th Oct 03
Location: Beverley, E Riding of Yorkshire
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27th Jan 06 at 19:24

i work with these people its so much fun

Matt H

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Location: South Yorkshire
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27th Jan 06 at 19:27

Do you get payed lots?

TNM

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Registered: 5th Apr 04
Location: Nottingham Drives: VW Tiguan
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27th Jan 06 at 20:16

I thought you were getting out of that game last year craig?

Craig W

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27th Jan 06 at 22:24

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Nutters.

At least they're free from weapons etc.? If you were meeting these guys on the street they could be carrying anything.

In one respect, yes that's true, but if i was out on the street it'd probably be very rare that i'd actually meet them. Doing my job i'm meeting them every day of the week. And you'd be suprised what they can make into weapons.

Craig W

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27th Jan 06 at 22:26

I did plan to move on last year but i came to realise the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Looks a bit greener now though

Craig W

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Registered: 31st Oct 00
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27th Jan 06 at 22:30

I'll stick at it, was just a little annoyed earlier when i posted as the whole situation angers me. I don't get paid anymore than any of the others.

Craig W

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27th Jan 06 at 22:31

... on a plus note we had a release in error today which is an automatic £15,000 fine for the company

corsa5dr

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Registered: 12th Jan 03
Location: Bath/Bristol - Evo 4 GSR
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27th Jan 06 at 22:39

Why not go to your manager and tell him/her that you are concerned that your team cant do their job properly.Maybe its time they had a recruitment drive with the minimum weight 14 stone?

[Edited on 27-01-2006 by corsa5dr]

AndyW

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Registered: 28th Oct 02
Location: Greater London
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27th Jan 06 at 22:40

craig W id be intereste in doin that sorta work, prison escort it must be interesting and exciting, but i wud worry about my safety. looking into goin into old bill instead.

i know what u mean when i was doing dury service a while back the guy in court was a Muscly pyscho fucker and the guard was a puny kid who id prob pin down with one hand, i thought if the prisoner kicks off theres no way he is holding him down!

corsa5dr

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Registered: 12th Jan 03
Location: Bath/Bristol - Evo 4 GSR
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27th Jan 06 at 22:42

How did you get into that line of work? What are the requirements?

Simon

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Registered: 24th Apr 03
Location: Oxfordshire
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27th Jan 06 at 22:42

got to be big n ugly

AndyW

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Registered: 28th Oct 02
Location: Greater London
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27th Jan 06 at 22:58

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
got to be big n ugly

surrised ive not been headhunted!

Lisa

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Registered: 6th Apr 00
Location: Euxton, Lancashire
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27th Jan 06 at 23:04

quote:
Originally posted by Craig W
Im a Prisoner Escort at a Crown Court, basically i sit in court with prisoners whilst they're on trial, getting sentenced etc. Obviously the custodies come from prison so we have a cell area where they're banged up when not in court.

I love the job, something different everyday etc but i seriously fear for my safety We have 10 officers, 4 males and 6 females. One of the males is 63 years old, one is 19 years old and about 7 stone dripping wet, and the other can hardly speak English and is completley useless.
My problem is this, because im the biggest male all the staff look to me when it comes to a kick off, and we have prisoners kick off numerous times a week... refusing to get back in their cell, refusing to get on the prison van etc.
Today was an excellent example. We had a guy in today - extremley violent, enjoys violence more than sex, mentally ill, and sees all males as a threat. He's looking at a life sentence as he's an extreme danger to the public so has nothing to lose. The solution to the many potential problems: Craig has to take him to court. He didnt want to go back to the prison he came from as he has a problem with all the officers there - he's also up for ABH on an officer because he knocked him out cold. It took 15 officers to restrain him and he caused that many problems they had to put the prison on lockdown. He didnt have a choice where he was going, he had to go back - the solution: Craig can give him the bad news.

Now, what the f*ck could i have done if he'd have kicked off because basically i was his nanny all day. I certainly didn't have faith in the staff behind me. For guys like this in the past, police have brought people to court in full riot gear: shields, batons, CS spray etc... the prison officers have lots of back up in regards to officers, but they get batons etc too... oh no but not me. What do i have? F*ck all

As i say i love the job but having to single handidly deal with murderers, mentally ill violent psycho's day in day out is annoying to say the least.

Sorry for the rant

i look after the kids that grow into these people

Do you have training on how to deal with these people if they kick off and if yes go down equal opps line and send the weedy lad in

Craig W

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Registered: 31st Oct 00
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27th Jan 06 at 23:08

Yeah we're trained in C&R (Control and Restraint) but it's a load of bollocks. Totally impractical in the real world. If you get a big lad with a few runts hanging off each limb trying to get locks on, it just wont work.

Lisa

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Registered: 6th Apr 00
Location: Euxton, Lancashire
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27th Jan 06 at 23:20

i know its hard in my job we just walk away when it gets bad..................

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