Edd
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Originally posted by Coolcrsa
You know.. I do realise that this is a car website and that most things, especially in OD, should be taken with good humour or at worst, ignored. But every now and again somebody here say something so blatantly stupid that it begs answering. So.. why are you apologising..
Well first of and perhaps most absurd, the chap that was shot was BRAZILIAN. Maybe those of you that do not understand take some time and look at an atlas.. and yes there is more in there than just the British Isles and part of Europe. You may have to turn some pages, be warned. This might even lead to another answer to another stupid question that was asked. The astute may discover that BRAZIL does not quite have the same climate that you are blessed with. So at 22deg the poor BRAZILIAN was probably freezing his nads off, so yes, a jacket was probably an option for him at that point.
Now to deal with why he ran. Well, as someone else pointed out, the police officers that 'apprehended' him were in plain clothes. Probably quite burly chaps themselves. Now to a brown man who's 1st language is definitely not English, being shouted at by said burly individuals especially in the light of heightened racial tension in London was probably terrifying. So he did what most in his particular circumstances would have done, which is to get his brown ass the hell away. Unfortunate that he chose a tube station, although he probably reasoned that it would afford the most protection, considering that there should have been many POLICEMEN about.
Now anybody that has ever seen anybody being shot at close range, and not the unrealistic Hollywood versions, would know that 1 or two shots at that range would definitely bring a man down. Shooting someone in the head at that range would turn them off like a light. With one shot. So I recon 8 shots were a bit excessive. On the subject of shooting in the 1st place, I would think that a properly trained police officer would know the difference between an individual that represents a clear and present danger and a brown man in a jacket. Especially since they had followed him since he left his home. Yes, it was a judgment call, and if they truly believed him to be a threat, then remove him from the situation, if possible in a non lethal far away from possible casualties. Do not tail him to a crowded public area and then decide to blow his head off. Were they waiting for him to crack a smile before he pressed button? It was a mistake pure and simple. One that should not have happened. Usually if sincere an apology is the very least that could be expected. In the light of present events I applaud your government for taking such a tough stance and more so for the apology when they realised a wrong doing. This is one of the key factors that marks a civilised nation in my opinion.
As for the gentlemen above that suggests that black people should not, in the light of recent events, wear jackets in public.. well.. lots could be said really. But I'll just say this : you had better hope that neither you, nor those close to you have anything resembling a tan my friend. Aparently it's just not safe out there anymore.
please for a start do not insult peoples intelligence.this man was believed to be a danger he ran when was confronted by police so they did what was necessary
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Robbo
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Has South Africa been bombed recenty :looK:
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do you frequent the tube stations regularly? Probably not. I don't care if you come from the hottest country in the world it's still bloody hot down there and nobody with an ounce of sense would be wearing a winter coat 
There are many different factors regarding this issue and everyone will have their own opinion so for someone to say "he is right" or "he's talking sense" its plain laughable. in fact.....
there is no right or wrong with this, the police did what they had to do and to some people this was the wrong move. To others, it was the right one.
I know what side I stand on
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Katie
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It's not laughable that someone has said he is right, or that he is talking sense, because they might be our oppinions too that he has expressed, and like you said, everyone has their own oppinions on this.
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Coolcrsa
spot on
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Coolcrsa
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Originally posted by Robbo
Has South Africa been bombed recenty :looK:
Define recently. I do know what it feels like to have a bomb go off in my city center and live in constant fear of when and where the next one will go off.. if thats what you mean. I could tell you stories of persecution that would probably turn you cold but what would be the point?
Fact is that this particular event is unfortunate and was a terrible tragedy. Not just for the Brazillian but for the free world and all its ideals. You do realise that the basteds that have placed the bombs have succeeded in turning the heart of Britain into a place filled with fear and persecution. Much like the Middle East in fact. And yet you have some people on here baying for innocent blood and cheering the process along.
And I have been to London fairly recently and am fairly familiar with the climate. Are you familiar with that of Brazil?
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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
It's not laughable that someone has said he is right, or that he is talking sense, because they might be our oppinions too that he has expressed, and like you said, everyone has their own oppinions on this.
read what i said.
There is no wrong or right so people shouldn't presume either way
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Ojc
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End of the story is
RID THE WORLD OF RELIGION
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sukhwant
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religion isn't the cause, but being gay is 
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--Dave--
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
End of the story is
RID THE WORLD OF RELIGION
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Edd
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
End of the story is
RID THE WORLD OF THE WRONG RELIGIONS
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dna23
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quote:
Originally posted by --Dave--
quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
End of the story is
RID THE WORLD OF RELIGION
Feelings is the cause of everything.... get rid of them and we'd be fine go watch Equilibrium thats the shizz nizz 
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only seen part of that film... did look good
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Robbo
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Actually, religion IS the cause of all problems, always has been and always will be
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Ojc
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Its ridiculous its not even real but causes so many problems
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Dan B
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Originally posted by Robbo
Actually, religion IS the cause of all problems, always has been and always will be
Quite ridiculous that a work of fiction could cause this much trouble, really...
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mk4_astra
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Originally posted by Coolcrsa
You know.. I do realise that this is a car website and that most things, especially in OD, should be taken with good humour or at worst, ignored. But every now and again somebody here says something so blatantly stupid that it begs answering.
So.. why are you apologising..
Well first of and perhaps most absurd, the chap that was shot was BRAZILIAN. Maybe those of you that do not understand take some time and look at an atlas.. and yes there is more in there than just the British Isles and part of Europe. You may have to turn some pages, be warned. This might even lead to another answer to another stupid question that was asked. The astute may discover that BRAZIL does not quite have the same climate that you are blessed with. So at 22deg the poor BRAZILIAN was probably freezing his nads off, so yes, a jacket was probably an option for him at that point.
Now to deal with why he ran. Well, as someone else pointed out, the police officers that 'apprehended' him were in plain clothes. Probably quite burly chaps themselves. Now to a brown man who's 1st language is definitely not English, being shouted at by said burly individuals especially in the light of heightened racial tension in London was probably terrifying. So he did what most in his particular circumstances would have done, which is to get his brown ass the hell away. Unfortunate that he chose a tube station, although he probably reasoned that it would afford the most protection, considering that there should have been many POLICEMEN about.
Now anybody that has ever seen anybody being shot at close range, and not the unrealistic Hollywood versions, would know that 1 or two shots at that range would definitely bring a man down. Shooting someone in the head at that range would turn them off like a light. With one shot. So I recon 8 shots were a bit excessive. On the subject of shooting in the 1st place, I would think that a properly trained police officer would know the difference between an individual that represents a clear and present danger and a brown man in a jacket. Especially since they had followed him since he left his home. Yes, it was a judgment call, and if they truly believed him to be a threat, then remove him from the situation, if possible in a non lethal far away from possible casualties. Do not tail him to a crowded public area and then decide to blow his head off. Were they waiting for him to crack a smile before he pressed button? It was a mistake pure and simple. One that should not have happened. Usually if sincere an apology is the very least that could be expected. In the light of present events I applaud your government for taking such a tough stance and more so for the apology when they realised a wrong doing. This is one of the key factors that marks a civilised nation in my opinion.
As for the gentlemen above that suggests that black people should not, in the light of recent events, wear jackets in public.. well.. lots could be said really. But I'll just say this : you had better hope that neither you, nor those close to you have anything resembling a tan my friend. Aparently it's just not safe out there anymore.
Edit.. Sorry for the essay.. my bad. 
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by Coolcrsa]
please dont think he was killed because he was a 'brother' in a coat, this is england and not south africa. that rarely happens over here and we are no way near as rasict as south africans. he probably was cold(i was on that day) and was probably scared of the police, the brazilian police are to blame for that. the met police force is said to be the best in the world and i believe that.
they placed him under watch and followed his every move, and closed off several tube stations to dirvert him to the one where he was shot. given the fact that he apperead eastern europe/middle eastern, had a big puffa coat with wires hanging from it, failed to stop at 3 different points from the police and all the would be suicide bombers were still at large that tried to f*ck london over the day before im 100% certain they had no choice but to kill him.
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dna23
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tbh who gives a shoot about this my thread made 5 pages all cos i woke up pished off when i heard tony being a bell cheese apologsing
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Thoday
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"as i said before if someone shouts police stop u usually do stop unless u have something to hide"
if any random shouts stop to you, then you just walk on, you still do not run. He created suspicions upon himself and paid the consequences..
i agree it was slightly brutal as "shoot to kill" is the policy but if wires are seen and a bomb belt as some witnesses stated you would assume this person to be a terrorist...
being brazilian does not mean he was not a muslim, one of the bombers was from my town 10 mins from my house and went to a local gym i had attended. he was black, your immediate reaction would be he would not be muslim..
i understand peoples feelings over the brutality but if that bomb had gone off and killed people, especially someone u knew or loved you would have said why didnt they put 8 bullets in his head..
my opinion and everyone has one but please do not preach some of you sound like one of them
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by Thoday]
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Ian
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I can see why he was targetted.
I can see the position which the police are in, and that a decision needed making.
Regardless of his decision to run, regardless of public safety, regardless of his choice of coat (read HIS choice of coat, not anyone elses), that decision was ultimately wrong.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by Ian]
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