Paul_J
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Fair point Fad... When I did the 16.5 half my induction thing was missing (therefore no cold air feed at all) and I needed a new map sensor.
16.1 was my best when the car was working ok - with wheel spin.
Which are you saying I couldn't do with filter + exhaust? the 15.63 or the 6.98?
The 15.63 I could go quicker, my mate at pod got a 15.2 with the exact same mods in his 106 gti, similar spec'd mates get mid to low 15's all day long.
Thus since a 2.0 16v Corsa will do the 1/4 in around the same time, but the 106 will have a better start and the corsa pass it / be even by the end of the strip - it is simple logic that a 106 Gti that does a quarter mile time in same as a 2.0 16v Corsa - will hit 60 before / at least at the same time as a 2.0 16v Corsa - otherwise the 2.0 16v Corsa would fly on to the finish with plenty distance ahead.
I know you got a 15.1 in your car, which is  but general observation is most 2.0 16v corsa's do mid 15's.
yeh I except the timing gear could of been out for 1 run, but my average time over 5 runs was around 7.2 secs to 60.
Evo Mag tested the 106 Gti and got 7.4 secs STANDARD to 60. Pug rigged the stats to get a lower insurance group, hence Saxo VTS is group 14, 106 gti is 13.
There was a white S2 rallye with Tb's going round the track (with black wheels and silver polished rim) at FCS - feck me that was a beast 
I understand your point about timing gear, but I could only assume it's more accurate than say a G-Tech and half the people around here and on other sites post their times using them (downhill aswell lol).
This isn't just a 'filter and exhaust' like on a 1.2 corsa putting a K&N and a cat back piece of shit and gaining nothing though.
Both the pugsport induction and Pugsport decat exhaust at Group N parts made for race / rallye to get the best power gains.
Loads on PGAC have them and generally with just those 2 mods run at 135-140 bhp (though what their car was standard I don't know).
Oh well, nevermind - who cares about 0-60 anyway  It's only for bragging rights down the pub haha. I'm looking forward to going to Pod again and seeing what I get down there. tbf - I'm happy with mid 15's.
Paul J
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chris_uk
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Originally posted by Antz
Was gonna go today, but Clio sport had just sold there last ticket... and Chris was going so it kinda put me off... and woulda much rather gone out and got werecked like I did than go showe a standard car off! 
since when did i tell you i was going??
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Paul_J
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But if you think my figures are crazy.
I bumped into a guy the other day in Windsor with a China blue 106 Gti ... claimed completely STANDARD he got a 15 flat 1/4 mile.  was at pod and his mates who were there didn't disagree (i.e. say shut up you liar)
hah. Guess he was a lucky one with a super quick stanard one - or 'timing equip was out at pod'
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Steve
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Paul is talking truth, standard for 106gti pull 60 in 7.4, the 8.2 time was done by peugeot with 2 passengars, full of luggage etc main reason for this was to keep insurance at a lower group to the VTS so they could have the edge.
The TU lump also responds well to mods, when I had similar mods to paul on my 106 gti I was keeping about level peggig with CTR;s up the strip, they are around 6.8 to 60 so the timing is about correct
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Paul_J
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Danke steve finally someone who knows what they're talking about.
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Steve
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PS 2.0 corsas in standard form are usually about the same as a standard 106 gti below a ton, of course you find the odd one which will do sub 15's standing quarter but then iv seen standard 106's and vts do sub 15 standing quarter, most do around mids 15's which is about right
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Fad
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erm thats bollocks Steve sub 15 quarters standard
I've had tussels with Type R's and 106GTi's/saxo VTs up the strip and not lost to one of them (other than a supercharged Type R) when my XE was standard.
Best i saw a Type R do up santa pod was a 15.2
This was also the same for Leon cupra R's
as for pug 106 GTi's with an exhaust and filter best I have seen was 15.5. Paul Also saw this on the day. And this was reflected on the day i saw Paul J at the pod with this stripped out 106 GTi getting a best of a 16.1
My best mate from uni had a 1.6 16v GTi and the best he got std was a 15.9 and he is a pretty good driver. He now has a 1.3 Ralyee on TB's.
106 GTi's are no where as quick as you make out. as XE's are not either.
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stuartmitchell
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mine did a 15.034 1/4 mile with just the ram air intake 
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CorsAsh
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First time my mate ever took his up the strip he did a 15.1, that's a cammed up 2.1 btw - so considering he's a strip novice (so to speak) I imagine sub 15s would be easy.
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Antz
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
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Originally posted by Antz
Was gonna go today, but Clio sport had just sold there last ticket... and Chris was going so it kinda put me off... and woulda much rather gone out and got werecked like I did than go showe a standard car off!
since when did i tell you i was going??
Ascough told me.
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Marc
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Originally posted by Paul_J
I understand your point about timing gear, but I could only assume it's more accurate than say a G-Tech and half the people around here and on other sites post their times using them (downhill aswell lol).
Paul J
I dont think G-Techs are that bad to be honest. I managed a 5.45 on a back road with a G-Tech, book figures 5.01 for my car. I bet if i had a good flat surface the time would have been better.
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Steve
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pmsl fad my gti pulled a 15.2 with just air filter and zorst on two sep occasions my m8ts vts std pulled a 15.01 on diff day. think u nd to remove your corsa tinted spectacles
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by CorsAsh
First time my mate ever took his up the strip he did a 15.1, that's a cammed up 2.1 btw - so considering he's a strip novice (so to speak) I imagine sub 15s would be easy.
How is a 2.1 litre, cammed up car probably with filter an exhaust a standard XE?
The thing which was dicussed was that a standard 2.0 16v Corsa is said to do 0-60 in 7-7.5 secs from what people have said, so why can't a modified 106 Gti do it in the same time or faster, considering it's lighter and running something like 135+ bhp (ok not that much torque, but 2nd gear doesn't take that much to turn )
Paul J
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Nath
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Paul_J vs Fad up the Pod
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Paul_J
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I can already predict that 
Fad wins by miles...
Sadly my 106 Gti is not one of these fancy quick standard Gti's that steve talks of, although I know they exist. Mine is just an average gti with a couple of mods. I'd still be happy to race - but I would lose
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Nath
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Originally posted by Paul_J
I can already predict that
Fad wins by miles...
Sadly my 106 Gti is not one of these fancy quick standard Gti's that steve talks of, although I know they exist. Mine is just an average gti with a couple of mods. I'd still be happy to race - but I would lose
I was only kidding, although I would also like to see this encounter.
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Paul_J
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I'd like to see Fad vs one of the quicker Gti's
Get's me down that my car isn't one of these fancy 130+ bhp standard versions  As the power they'd have with minor mods, I'd have to spend loads camming and chipping etc to achieve.
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Nath
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I've heard of these 130bhp models. Any reason why they are more powerful?
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Paul_J
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No idea... there's rumours that these 2 prong no EGR valve engine's produce that power, but then again there's been those engines that have produced less and one's with no prongs out of the head that produce more.
My original theory was that due to legisilation in europe or something they would have to install a EGR valve onto the engine thus reducing the power and cutting emmissions. Since the original Gti's were 120 bhp this would mean the newer ones were slower, thus the boffins managed to get more power out of the engine (probably flowed head better or something), where these 2 prongs are is where the newer models have their EGR valves - only for like 1 year there were no EGR valves in place where these 2 prongs were.  These are generally the ones with the power.
But who knows? Could all be bullshit and all engines are different. I spoke to a guy at FCS that had 2 prongs on his engine, exhaust manifold, full decat exhaust and green filter, had it rolling roaded at 132 bhp - his car definately wasn't 130+ standard then.
Paul J
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Steve
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the earlier models didnt have the EGR valve, mine was an earlier model, i dont think was fully down to the power differences though. Someone off PGTI.NET did explain why some came with more power but i forget the reason it was over a year ago it was discussed
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ARD1
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was a great day, saw some quick times with a 106 xsi doing
0-60 6.61
1/4 15.44
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stuartmitchell
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I think I've got the "special engine"
mine has the two prongs but like Paul said that theory could be a load of balls
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