Jodi_the_g
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Originally posted by eightball
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Originally posted by Jodi_the_g
Total disagree if you are paying for a childs upbringing you should be able to see the child, make dissuions on its up bringing etc.
Would you pay for a timeshare you never went to.
[Edited on 26-01-2005 by Jodi_the_g]
so it comes down to money? a child is not a timeshare; a material possession whose value can be put into £! the bottom line (which you seem to be ignoring) is that a child cannot provide for itself. more often than not it is the mother who is left holding the baby (no pun intended). the csa was not set up for a laugh, and to spoil peoples fun; it was conceived from need - the need to slap moron parents right where it hurts them most (then at least their kid can get something positive from them). as for the guy who can't get to see his kid - i'd assume he's upset because he can't see them, and be part of their lives, rather than he's not getting his moneys worth. the bottom line is; if you were responsible for the creation of a life, you are responsible for it's care, wellbeing and happiness. the end.
No a child is not a child in the eyes of the law until it is born, If the mother wants to keep the child on her own then fair enough but she supports it, Not the father who does not want anything to do with it as it was a quick fiddle down the night club.
So before the child is born I believe the father should be able to choice as the mother has that right.
As for the moron parents remark, because a bloke has unprotected sex with a woman he automatic becomes a moron, it is two people responsibility, could she not have gone to the family planning centre and got the morning after pill, Its FREE and child is not. So yes money is a major part.
Maybe I word it wrong, but I believe if you want to be part of your children’s life and are doing your best to support them you should have a choice in there future and seeing them.
The Bottom of line is a child is not a child until birth in the eyes of the law so if a man choice then he wants no part he should have his wishes respected, and have equal right to that of the mother, both should choice weather they want to be a parent.
The end.
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Matt H
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This is the reason why the CSA is in danger of being shut down. Their job is a tough one!
I agree that fathers should pay towards their childs upbringing
However, its not always as simple as this (like VT's mate)
Eightball- your comment about money: So you dont agree that the main objective of the CSA is to extract money to fund the childs upbringing?
In Doncaster where I live there is a really high rate of teenage pregnancies. The amount of single mums pushing prams around is mind blowing. Its so obvious that all of the money they get in benefits is spent on themselves. I've overheard many a conversation at work confirming this. I don't mean to stereotype anyone here but I can well imagine this to be a similar problem nationwide
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eightball
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Originally posted by Matt H
Eightball- your comment about money: So you dont agree that the main objective of the CSA is to extract money to fund the childs upbringing?
no, i do agree; however, they are not a business - they don't take a percentage of the proceeds. their point was/is to secure funds where a parent wasn't/isn't taking the responsibility themselves, which brings us full circle doesn't it? i also agree that they are, in some cases overly harsh, and don't take all circumstances into account - same as any other government agency. i'm sure that there are those who abuse the system, but for the most part it is there to support individuals whose respective other half refuse to accept the circumstances their intentional/unintentional actions have landed them in - consequences are still there, whether they are considered or not.
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eightball
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Originally posted by Matt H
This is the reason why the CSA is in danger of being shut down. Their job is a tough one!
the reason they are in danger of being shut down is because it is felt they aren't harsh enough, and not meeting the needs of children in the united kingdom!
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Russ
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if u dont like it keep your cock in your pants?
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J da Silva
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What if we just sit with our cocks hanging out the opening of the boxer shorts, but not in a vagina? that's not keeping our cocks in our pants, yet nobody gets preggers 
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