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[quote][i]Originally posted by Jules S[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Corsa_1.0[/i]
yes Tracing very boring, immensely infact. But i dont mind get paid for it and they paying me to go through university doing a HNC in Civil Engineering so its not all that bad.

CAD is about easiest program ive ever learnt most of its basic - just when 3D comes along i get abit confused but manage to get through it. [/quote]

fairplay mate, you have the right attitude....CAD (if you use autodesk) is far from simple though. i would suggest you are probably using 25% of what it can do (without a specialised bolt on program), esp in civils.

personally I wouldnt go past an HNC/HND (HNC is better obv) believe me, ive forgot more about CAd than you  know (no offence) The best advice I can give you is to treat it like a game......dont just accept it does things that you want it to do. look further...play with it :thumbs:

for you (and any other CAD users) im quite happy for you to U2U me if you have problems. Most of the stuff i get asked from people stems from release nine onwards...

as for root cad 3d stuff...well its sh*te isnt it? the autodesk survey packages are better but far from the best on the market  :thumbs:

i would suggest that 95% of the people i train dont understand the Autodesk UCS commands, let alone UCSfollow or isoplane etc.....in actual fact i would say that 99% of people dont know the <select> options last or previous LOL

regards

jules [/quote]

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Ian	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 23:57
	quote: Originally posted by corsa_dh Teachers dont tell you this tho do they, jus push you on to do your A-levels n tell you itll b better for you. If you don't know what you're going to do with your life then yes, A Levels are a good safe qualification. If you tell them exactly what career you want, maybe there are more appropriate courses. Its not the schools fault if you don't know where you're going. No course will give you that. For the record, the college I work has an excellent reputation for putting students on the right course and making sure peoples aims are met. They can't work with nothing though! I personally interview people for web design qualifications, and if they come to me and say I like web pages but I don't know if I want a job writing them, I'll tell them that unless they fancy spending a social year learning some stuff they'll never use, the course is a waste of time! Thats no bad reflection on the course! The people who made the most with it - got jobs etc. - were those who had given it proper though and knew their aims years ago. Same for CAD I suppose. I disagree that my colleagues are idiots and can't train people, just maybe that a specialist three days might be of use in one role, whereas a 36 week course may prepare students in more areas. I've never seen someone train for three days then go to an interview and talk comprehensively for 15 minutes...
Jules S	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 23:22
	personally, i wouldnt advise a college CAD course as a be all and end all training option.. I could train a person in three days what those idots could do in three months...and taylor make the training to suit the application :wave:
Jules S	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 22:55
	quote: Originally posted by Corsa_1.0 yes Tracing very boring, immensely infact. But i dont mind get paid for it and they paying me to go through university doing a HNC in Civil Engineering so its not all that bad. CAD is about easiest program ive ever learnt most of its basic - just when 3D comes along i get abit confused but manage to get through it. fairplay mate, you have the right attitude....CAD (if you use autodesk) is far from simple though. i would suggest you are probably using 25% of what it can do (without a specialised bolt on program), esp in civils. personally I wouldnt go past an HNC/HND (HNC is better obv) believe me, ive forgot more about CAd than you know (no offence) The best advice I can give you is to treat it like a game......dont just accept it does things that you want it to do. look further...play with it :thumbs: for you (and any other CAD users) im quite happy for you to U2U me if you have problems. Most of the stuff i get asked from people stems from release nine onwards... as for root cad 3d stuff...well its sh*te isnt it? the autodesk survey packages are better but far from the best on the market :thumbs: i would suggest that 95% of the people i train dont understand the Autodesk UCS commands, let alone UCSfollow or isoplane etc.....in actual fact i would say that 99% of people dont know the <select> options last or previous LOL regards jules
Colin	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 22:20
	Get a half decent paying job and do open uni in your spare time....?
corsa_dh	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 22:13
	Realised now that I would have been better off going straight into a modern apprenticeship in accounting or something instead of college if i wasn't planning on uni. Teachers dont tell you this tho do they, jus push you on to do your A-levels n tell you itll b better for you. Bastards :(
Tiesto	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 22:09
	yes Tracing very boring, immensely infact. But i dont mind get paid for it and they paying me to go through university doing a HNC in Civil Engineering so its not all that bad. CAD is about easiest program ive ever learnt most of its basic - just when 3D comes along i get abit confused but manage to get through it.
Jules S	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 22:00
	quote: Originally posted by Corsa_1.0 Go them Connexions offices and look at jobs available there, thats what i did - Working as a CAD Technician now for civil engineering firm. Only had A-levels too. Full wage? School Leavers from A-levels get very low wages in my experience, but some pay you to go too university so its best of both worlds with a degree at the end. To be a CAd techie, an aptitude towards 'puter games would be better than 'A' levels :thumbs: Im a part III qualified archiect by the way. have bata tested for autodesk, and CAD manage my office :thumbs: two days training on basic autocad will get you going.....for non tech stuff like civils. Unfortunately being a 'CAD techie' aint all good, cos you ALWAYS need a qualification in what your drawing to be any good. Unless you are tracing. and thats just mind numbingly boring :thumbs:
Ian	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 21:36
	More than half the people who left my course last year are now employed, either by setting up on their own or taking better jobs working for someone that they would have straight from school. That said, they were on the right course and only got on because they knew what they wanted to do...
stubbsy	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 21:31
	i feel that you go to college if you want to go to uni, you are not that much better off than going to a job leaving school.
Ian	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 21:23
	What college course? Did you not consider where the course was taking your before you started it?
Dav	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 20:30
	I've stuggled to get a job since leaving college. Everywhere wants experience but doesn't want to offer it in the first place! But I was promoted in my current job this week (used to be p/t Grade B, now f/t Grade C) and I'm aiming to take managment training in the new year too. It's all extra money until I plan where my future career really lies.
Tiesto	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 20:14
	Go them Connexions offices and look at jobs available there, thats what i did - Working as a CAD Technician now for civil engineering firm. Only had A-levels too. Full wage? School Leavers from A-levels get very low wages in my experience, but some pay you to go too university so its best of both worlds with a degree at the end.
Stuckey	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 20:13
	get a job in customer service
big_julian	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 20:13
	dustbin man?
timrud_	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 20:12
	Become a spakry... wish I had!
AK	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 20:09
	its kinda the expected thing...... to have a degree these days, no matter how usefull or worth while.... Most places will want experience.... so your going to have to start as a trainee or some shit
corsa_dh	posted on 24th Nov 04 at 19:57
	Just wondering what people have done when leaving college. Im stuck and don't know what to do. Don't want to go to Uni. Don't really know how to get into a job when leaving college. Can't find many that take A-levels but dont need a degree. Some of you must have been in same situation as me. Just interested on what you did. Looking for something to do with business finance. 1 more thing, do you go straight onto a full wage most of the time? cheers ppl [Edited on 24-11-2004 by Ian]