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R Lee	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 23:46
	i have one. furry muff i have a1.2 but i thought i'd go on an airfilter spree. i have tested: standard (obviously), standard and drilled, k&n and drilled, K&n cone, and now am on viper. imo... viper is the best out of the lot which i have tried. but it is a complete waste of money and still not worth it at all. may my money wasting spree be a lesson to you all :D
broster	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 23:07
	i have a viper...........humm........people dont seem to rate them in here, out of all of the people who dont rate them who actually has one, or had one, apart from stu?
kz	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 22:09
	quote: Originally posted by B19 GAV drilled will do for me :thumbs: have you done this? noise gain im guessing but anything performance wise?
Gavin	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:23
	drilled will do for me :thumbs:
jr	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:21
	:lol: should have read the post fully first
kz	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:21
	tbh i cant see a panel filter giving a 4bhp gain, i mean its only a replacement in a standard o/e box :boggle:
jr	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:21
	(stu) corsa c sxi has had problems with them as well
StuartVRS	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:20
	i had one on the audi, it fell apart. Needless to say i got a refund.
Fraser Young	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:17
	25 quid for 4bhp, or 250 for 6bhp I know which I'd choose!
kz	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:16
	okay cool :thumbs: just saying thats one example. i guess every car is different as sees different gains (or losses :\|)
Greasemonkey	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:12
	I got one on my GSI, some one on here did a test using a drilled air box with panel filter, a K&N cone filter and a viper all done on the same day on the same car on same RR the panel filter gained about 4BHP the K&N i think lost power (dont quote me) And the viper gained about 6BHP
kz	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 21:09
	quote: Originally posted by B19 GAV cheers for that :thumbs: been told that induction kits tend to lose power rather than gain it.... cos that they suck up all the heat from the engine bay if they r not enclosed properly :thumbs: yeah they can increase power im sure, it seems like it in my car, not a lot, but its there... (i have a BFO cone) but i guess you need a shield from the engine heat plus cold air feeds etc for a good result. however the viper was meant to be one of the best because its made of carbon fibre? maybe it doesnt make a difference, my mate has one on his zetec s and says it aint that good! lol
Adam-D	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 20:59
	gota be loopy to pay £250 for a air filter anway
Gavin	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 20:58
	cheers for that :thumbs: been told that induction kits tend to lose power rather than gain it.... cos that they suck up all the heat from the engine bay if they r not enclosed properly :thumbs:
kz	posted on 28th Mar 04 at 20:56
	hi i bought performance GTi magazine this month and it had an interesting test. they bought a standard 205 GTi [108.5bhp @ 6879rpm / 94.5lb/ft @ 5420rpm] and added a viper induction kit to it... after the kit was added it was running [108.1bhp @ 6596rpm / 93.2lb/ft @ 5443rpm] meaning a deduction in power. they then added a magnex exhaust and manifold which addded it up to 111.1bhp. but thats £700 gone on just increasing the sound! tbh i thought youd get a bare minimum 5bhp with induction/exhaust/manifold. just thought id share that with you lol. if you want power, look else where for your money!