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[quote][i]Originally posted by Fonz[/i] I think the issue is greater than what people have suggested here and more a national social/cultural shift away from "modded cars" I am not suggesting the industry is dead or even dying (i doubt cars shows are smaller or poorly attended compared to 20 years ago and if so only a small %), but the likelihood of seeing a modded Saxo/Corsa/Fiesta (or at least a 2020 equivalent) nowadays is a once in a blue moon event now rather than the one of every street we were used to in the 90s and 00s. I suggest this is a reason as the modified car scene is the reason I joined CS. I had a minor issue i hit google to fix and found the forum, it wasn't long before I was back and I landed on the site again wanting to know how to do X or what is better Y or Z product and before I knew it I was visiting just to read the chat going on. I accept its 15 years later and I have bought and sold a house, bought a family home, had three relationships, got married and become a Dad in that time so my exposure to seeing these cars in "Halfords car park" #cliche is less likely as I now move in different circles, but when I had my Corsa I knew I wasn't the only one in town with a loud exhaust hatchback, and certainly not the only one with a lowered car - yet nowadays I am more likely to see a Audi or BMW played around with....or some 80s classic pimped up than a "run of the mill" first car hatch with big wheels/exhaust and low ground clearance. the cars of today simply are not as easy to play with as they once were. A ten year old poverty spec hatch is still useless handling, underpowered and looks like it was designed in the dark - but for not silly money a tidy spec of the same model can be purchased and the 17-21 yr olds today are happy with it without having the desire to play around with it. [quote][i]Originally posted by SAL[/i] I use the Transporter forum, crazy busy! [/quote] I think this kinda proves my point. I suspect the Mini and LR (defender) forums are likely to be the same - those "classic" car types which people will always have as a second car/toy and want to improve/get back on the road/keep running. Many of the users of CS had a Corsa as their only car and so when they changed car may have stuck around for the banter but lost interest in the technical/Corsa specific topics. Soon it wasn't just "my last car was a Corsa" but "my last car was a hatch"/"i had a Corsa/hot hatch once upon a time" and in doing so their experience became less relevant to offer input to questions posed and the banter wasn't enough to stick around for (arguably because SM ticked that "escape" box we used CS for as a distraction for 10 minutes) Although it has been a while since i have been on track, I still attend car shows but my frequency is once a year rather than 3 times, and only if other commitments (family) allow. my interest in cars remains, it is just squeezed by everything else going on in my life. Car groups on FB haven't interested me, but i doubt they have the same appeal as the forums of the day and much more of a message board of "how do I....?" style posts rather than the wide variety of topics a forum can create, particularly by separating into various themes - FB doesn't filter such comments to separate SetH comments about tits from someone else asking how to replace a brake caliper. I do feel that a mobile phone compliant version is essential. A forum I use regular is about 50-50 pc-phone use but i think @Ian has it right - it is the lack of new members which is significant...and comes back to what I said at the beginning - there isn't the same "car modding scene" as there once was. As I type this and think back to why I first visited CS I think i was ICE related, changing the head unit or speakers or something like that...walk into Halfords today and the in car technology has shift from audio to navigation and dash cam. I am not saying they don't sell car stereos but it is a smaller range than they had which i believe reflects the difference/shift in culture. why this has occurred i cannot say, probably a selection of small factors when combined have changed what the 17-25 year old car made drivers have an interest in [/quote]
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