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[quote][i]Originally posted by Ian[/i] There have apparently already been protests in America, did see a video link earlier although didn't have the time to watch it. 1) Yes but might it be that the delay was deliberate so as to get the immunity ball rolling. Even if they withdrew the herd policy largely I would think down to public opinion and not actual pragmatic tackling of the exit plan. Note how they have published (leaked?) advice to Police forces that driving for exercise is OK, whereas the previous feeling (not sure where I got it from) was that you couldn't do that. I would guess outdoor work will follow as per Spain who have re-opened building sites and doing things which I interpreted to be exposing some of the healthier working population to it to see what the numbers do and whether you can herd immunise your builders and then some other sectors later throughout the working age population. I think that'll come in the UK bearing in mind they have pretty much exempted all the older/at risk people by already having written to them telling them categorically to stay the fuck in for months. The "fitter"* people they will sacrifice first to watch the data. * - unfortunate people who appear like they'll cope but die and/or those living with vulnerable people will be unlucky. 2) yes but political, they can't be seen to ignore data. Imagine the tears if they'd have said that data is shit, we're ignoring it. Then it turned out to actually be sound. 3) yes disgraceful, did also read about a bit of faffing obtaining ventilators although the conspiracy nut job changed his story from having stock ready to go that the government said they didn't want so they sold them to someone else, to having imports read, to having build slots in a factory. Sounded like the Chinese ones the government had already said they weren't buying because they're shit. Guy also said the same company had 50m tests which to me sounds like either that's a complete lie or they are also the apparent shit ones that we turned down. I do have a mate works for a contractor who supply materials for government contracts, said they wanted PPE for road repair / water board etc. and they got told to fuck off because the government had been in and bought it all up to give to the NHS. Although probably too late given the delay in getting it out there. He also said although its not his area but some of the projects that they procure for were actual NHS property like working inside hospital grounds and they can't have PPE to work there because its all been bought up. So the medical staff have it but you'll be sharing the corridor with an electrician who doesn't for example. Which leads me on to a gripe which I should check which is Hancock saying that people who die in service could have caught it somewhere else and not while they were working. Which is a fucking disgraceful thing to say to someone who has died having worked in a hospital that they could have caught it down the shops. That page you linked was very interesting, actually made me feel loads happier. I've said all along that if it turns out to be a load of shit I'll have no problem being wrong and overstating it. I'd far rather that than go in thinking it was nothing and it get serious when its out of hand. Exit plan as I see it - Vulnerable already locked away - done and they can tell us Herd immunity policy will come back in through the side door and they won't directly say we're exposing you cunts to see who dies, they'll say we can now let you go to the park look happy. But it'll be clearly a herd immunity policy but obviously they can't say it because the public will call them all Tory murderers. All the new hospitals will get used, I reckon the goal is to fill every one of these new ones to the brim with equipment and staff that they've had time to organise. Meaning they'll be working their way through large areas and killing a few people. Bit more blame game for the second peaks when they do lift the lockdowns but it'll be done in such a way that they can still go on TV and say you shouldn't have visited family etc. even though the guidance will hint that its acceptable. Any extra deaths will be attributed to the public's actions. Then we'll turn a corner and they'll start asking for money back off people. Notice how there are enough gaps even inside of each community so that they can turn on each other. Like self-employed people, some got 10 grand for their premises and 80% of their wages which will seem like a great deal to sit on your ass. Some who work at home and pay themselves in dividends get very little. Those are the people who will turn against each other even though they might be in the same sector doing similar work. Meaning tax rises and the like will be acceptable because the people who missed out won't object. There is provision in all the handout legislation that if it turns out you didn't need it, they'll have it back. They'll also bring us round slowly to the idea of paying it back, my view is certain policies will get lots of support from those who are currently suffering. But there is definitely a plan, don't be mistaken by not hearing it from the government. They know what they can and can't say!! [/quote]
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