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[quote][i]Originally posted by JonnyJ[/i] Going to go a bit PaulJ here but its a subject thats close to my heart and i think its sad that some people still don't get what Depression is. Its important that we become more understanding of it as unfortunately the views of those people can and do lead to people with the illness not seeking help because they will be chastised by those ill informed. Firstly people need to stop thinking of depression (or any other mental illness) as something you can just shake off, you cant just "man the fuck up" and it goes away. Its a disease. A life threatening disease as valid as cancer or AIDS or Parkinsons. Its important people get over that mental hurdle as without it you cant get past the incorrect preconceptions that its just a weakness. Its not. The mind is a byproduct of the brain, the brain is an organ, the same as the heart, liver or the lungs and as such its as vulnerable to disease and failure. Unlike anything else however the mind isn't a physical thing, its not something you can touch or see, so if its suffering from an illness its not something you can see affecting a person physically, you cant x-ray it and say "theres your problem". Depression is a disease of the mind and until you can see that, you're always going to struggle with understanding it and its effects on the person. I always find when people who don't understand it talk about it, they do so in a way that the person is still in full control of their thoughts and actions, which is not true. Which is why it always grinds on me when people use the words "selfish" or "coward" when discussing suicide. Selfishness is generally a bad trait, but its something, when well, you are in full control of, you can choose to be selfish or you can choose not to be. If you are not in control of your own thoughts how can you possibly be described as being selfish? Killing yourself is not something done by people who are well. They aren't thinking how they would normally think or how you and me would think. Essentially its not really them making the decision but an ill version of themselves. Yes, their body carries out the actions but its not them inside. I always find it awful when people describe those who have committed suicide as selfish as its assigning an incorrect trait to someone. The person could have lived their entire life as the most selfless person in the world, but they are unfortunately struck down by an awful illness which ends up killing them and suddenly, they are selfish cunts. Its wrong and its unfair to the family members of said person who are already having to deal with one of the hardest things they could possibly have to deal with along with people who didn't know the person calling them selfish cowards. Nothing is black and white when it comes to suicide. The funny thing is if Robin Williams had have smoked 40 a day and because of that, contracted lung cancer and died aged 63, not one person in here would have come along and posted "selfish twat" more likely it would've been "Cancer is a bitch :( RIP in peace bro". Actually, if anything, that would be the more selfish scenario for death, given that the dangers of smoking are well documented. If you smoke you know you are leaving yourself more open to cancer and an untimely death and one that your relatives are going to have to live through. I notice no one ever says that though, and thats because Cancer is understood. People get that its a disease and its not their fault they got it, although in some cases their decisions in life could've helped prevent it, but that aside its not a given doing anything differently would've changed it and they are people who, rightly, should be felt sorry for getting what is an awful disease and if it kills them, thats really sad. Just something for all those who are happy to throw insults around without understanding a subject to think about. It probably wont change anyone, but as i said, its a something that extremely close to my heart and if i could just change one persons perspective then thats a good thing, the more people understand it and become accepting of mental illness hopefully, the more that will seek help and survive it. I think certainly in the future, people, as understanding of mental health grows, will look back on their views and be embarrassed by what they used to think about it. I hope so anyway. My thoughts go out to Robin Williams and his family, i know exactly what they are going through right now and hopefully they can find some peace in that he isn't suffering anymore, which is the most important thing. It would be selfish to think of anyone but him. He was living it after all. [/quote]
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