Yeah but the turbo will have some lag, poor throttle response and a narrow power band.

The 2.0 would probably win, but it would be close.

But if both have the same BHP and the redtop more torque the redtop will still win.

Torques how much twist the engien produces, u put ur foot down in a turbo compared to a na car and the turbo will leave the na for dust. Lots more torque.

torque is gr8 but,,,

heres my lowdown

take 1 standard 1.6 16v with 106 bhp and one with 140 bhp down the 1/4 mile the 140 bhp corsa would 99% win an produce the best time

now put 300kg's extra weight in the back of both cars and re-run the 1/4 mile suddenly they will will become alot closer in performance because although the 140bhp corsa has more torque from tuning it has not gained so much that it will still leave the 106bhp corsa

if only you drive the car round tracks an on roads having fun and racing then bhp is what u need but if u are carrying six m8's then having torque makes the difference

take the 1.6 16v corsa has 106bhp and approx 110ibf.ft of torque
now take the honda civic 1.6 vti 160bhp with 111ibf.ft

both cars have same torque but the honda would kill the corsa everytime, so its bhp u need

Yeah, but your nova is damn fast, damn damn fast for some reason :lol:

I'd say the 2.0 would still take it in a straight line. No substitue for cc when it comes to torque ;)

Even Andys 214bhp 1.6 is only putting out standard 2.0 16v torque figures. True, 50kg odd lighter, but 50kg isn't really that much tbh.

I know what you mean Kris, but it all counts on the strip. I can notice if I have one passenger.

It would be an F15, can take 150lb/ft...

You also have to take in to account the cornering abilities with a car that has 50kg less? Even if you had a C16XE making 200bhp would the gearbox be ok? if it is a F16 you must be getting near to its torque capabilities if you know what I mean :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by miles
That took me more than 5 minutes to write LOL!!!

Kris, 50kg's is 50kg's no matter how heavy the car is, although there are diminishing returns.

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That took me more than 5 minutes to write LOL!!!

Kris, 50kg's is 50kg's no matter how heavy the car is, although there are diminishing returns.

So when you do the 1/4 mile you drive it low down the rev range? Only having power and torque up the rev range wont make much of a difference on the 1/4 mile as your only there in first, and having it mild there will help with traction.

The 1.6 will have about 140lb/ft, the 2.0 about 175lb/ft IIRC.

The 2.0 will weigh about 50kg's more.

That Corolla must be very heavy or have some distinct disadvantage.

Look at the Integra type R, has 187bhp, cant have as much torque as the turbo, and does 0-60 in 6.5....

Also...

Honda Civic VTi 1991 158bhp 7.3

I have a 1.6 nova with 140lb/ft and do a 1/4 mile as quick as an M5, which must have about 300+ lb/ft?

as for the car. 2.0L with 200hp

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Originally posted by luca2020
2.0 would, bhp means nothing compared to tourqe

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weight of the engine wont make that much difference, depends wat the otehr car is like , ie stripped out?

2.0 would, bhp means nothing compared to tourqe

yep i would imagine the 2000cc would be much more torqier than the 1600cc due to the bigger displacement!

so think the 2litre might take the 1.6...

but then there's the weight of the engine to consider.

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Originally posted by psycho sport
what about the torque produced by both engines? would they be the same?

[Edited on 21-01-2004 by psycho sport]

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1.6, closer ratio gearbox :thumbs:

what about the torque produced by both engines? would they be the same?

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If they're generating the same amount of power then they'd be as quick. The power delivery might affect things but it could go either way. Worth mentioning that it's far cheaper to get a 2 litre to 200bhp than a 1600. Perhaps the 2 litre weighs more but it's a lot less expensive a conversion.

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just out of interest which one of these 2 would be quicker over 1/4 mile?
both in a corsa and both have throttle bodies with raised rev limiters.

[Edited on 21-01-2004 by psycho sport]