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Ian
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24th Jun 20 at 20:13   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
Its remarkably easy to dismiss racism, sexism or homophobia when you're a white, straight male.


You seem to be able to say how bad it is despite being of a similar demographic.

I'm not looking to dismiss it, far from it, I'll call it out wherever I see it. Proven track record of doing so professionally and anyone who has ever spoken to me on the matter for more than five minutes will tell you I'm not going to dismiss anything in the real world. My problem is the amount of horseshit people talk about how terrible everything is, how its a taboo to even want actual equality and not subversion to the minority.

There are definitely three camps in the whole debate.

Racists who think all dark people should go home, women should be in the kitchen and queers should be shot.

Liberals who want to police the thoughts and actions of everyone who doesn't virtue signal their way down the path of liberal righteousness.

People in the middle who despite not being racists are also not massive bleating liberals either.

At no point did I dismiss baseline equality for every single person. I just think a lot of the liberal do-gooder shit that people come up with is on the most part ineffective ego-soothing bunkum that serves only to make the mostly white at-no-point-oppressed people who come out with it feel better while simultaneously doing zero about the actual real issues.
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quote:
Originally posted by SetH
I am a negro


Please feel free to call out my white ass on anything you see that looks particularly anti-brown.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
quote:
Originally posted by SetH
I am a negro


Please feel free to call out my white ass on anything you see that looks particularly anti-brown.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
quote:
Originally posted by Fonz
some they see it as "ok" or "the norm" - much like racism.


"Some"

My question would be where.


where? society

there will be people on every street who have a controversial view (be that racism or other) and isn't know about unless you're in their social network, be that their drinking pals in their corner of the pub, their friends in work, or friends in an online forum who share their opinions.
I certainly don't know the names of my neighbours 4+ doors up, nor their political views, opinion on Brexit or racism, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone has a unsavoury view on something.

i know there is half a dozen individuals in my former local who have an attitude and approach to "immigration" (to use that in the broadest of senses) which is less than appealing or would be seen as "acceptable".
i was only in there weekly so only saw the snapshot of clientele who were in that Tuesday night, would i be surprised there would be a pocket of racism within those who visit within a week? No - but then i live in a very "white British" community, in a very "white British" area of the UK...


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https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1268264740171759616
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quote:
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i know there is half a dozen individuals in my former local who have an attitude and approach to "immigration" (to use that in the broadest of senses) which is less than appealing or would be seen as "acceptable".


Either you're being diplomatic or that's exactly my issue - not acceptable in whose view?

You might find they have a perfectly rational position but its not acceptable to liberals.

Don't confuse perfectly sound points of view which are not currently fashionable for unacceptable or untenable views.

I for one don't particularly like the fact the population is massive and immigration has a part to play in that.

I also worry about healthcare and teaching systems in other countries while we in the UK are attracting (poaching) all the best talent to come here for our benefit. Meanwhile the home country suffers because all the good staff have left.

That's not a particularly fashionable point of view but it doesn't mean its not valid. You just couldn't say it on Twitter because whatever career you had would be over when the liberal conformists emailed your employer.

I'm quite lucky in that no one can sack me, which does give me the opportunity to say things which I otherwise couldn't. Can you imagine working in education and saying you don't think the UK should poach overseas talent, you'd be branded a racist before the day is out and it wouldn't matter what actual work you were doing with actual students of whatever actual race/background/level of oppression/prior experience/future life opportunity, your actual attitude towards it matters far less than you perceived attitude.

Ditto your "unsavory" neighbours. You might find some rational points of view. You might even find the particularly unsavory points could be talked through and discussed and you might be able to shape a conversation if there was anything unsound in there. Which is the liberals' mistake - these things are now such a taboo that the long and hard-held beliefs of the little Englanders will fester and grow because its not possible to even talk about it.

We pedal out the same old shit, you can't talk about it because you're white, you can't understand because you're a man, you can't empathise because you're straight. Well I'm sorry but despite being all of those I also have my own brain, as does anyone else who has anything to say on any debate.

Or we can carry on being prejudice to these people and judging them - these "unsavory" people whose voice we don't even want to hear. Now who has prejudice?

[Edited on 25-06-2020 by Ian]
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Agree
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Agree with the Architect the fuhrer.

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