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Originally posted by Steve
Because they aren't in the eu and overrun by eastern Europeans

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Because they aren't in the eu and overrun by eastern Europeans

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Originally posted by Jimbothebarbarian

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Because they aren't in the eu and overrun by eastern Europeans

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It must genuinely be different in your neck of the woods. Because the amount around here is ridiculous. They've got their own shops and the like. Like I've mentioned I wonder if I work in a UK factory. Any agency staff we get in are all eastern European and there's areas now that are, how can I put it, less than welcoming to 'locals' now.

Not scare mongering, simple how it is nowadays.

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Because they aren't in the eu and overrun by eastern Europeans

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It must genuinely be different in your neck of the woods. Because the amount around here is ridiculous. They've got their own shops and the like. Like I've mentioned I wonder if I work in a UK factory. Any agency staff we get in are all eastern European and there's areas now that are, how can I put it, less than welcoming to 'locals' now.

Not scare mongering, simple how it is nowadays.

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Yeah there's no immigrants down here in the South East

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EU migrants; let's just ignore that they're net contributors to the UK economy then.

Our problems with benefits are within, our very own home grown scum leaching from the state.

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Its not about the economy its the sheer weights of numbers of people in this country, the infrastructure is already falling over. Money cannot buy space on an island.

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So extra numbers are not compounded by the ease at which EU foreign nationals are able to exploit EU border policy and gain access into the country (and stay here)?

I didn't say they were the sole cause of over population but the situation certainly isn't helped, and the tightening up of border control is a step in the right direction.

[Edited on 18-03-2016 by Steve]

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Recent Population Growth

Since 2000 the population of the UK has increased at a faster rate than any time in the previous 90 years. Unlike previous episodes of growth, the major reason for this increase has been the high level of immigration.

The population growth of a country is affected by the birth rate, the death rate and net migration. The difference between the number of births and deaths is known as natural change. If net migration is positive then immigration is greater than emigration. Positive net migration adds to the population both directly from the migrant themselves and indirectly on natural change by increasing the number of births in the country. In 2014, 27% of all births in England and Wales were to foreign born mothers.

In 2001 the population of the UK was estimated to be 59.1 million with 4.9 million (8.3%) foreign born. By 2011 the population of the UK had increased by 4.1 million to 63.2 million with the foreign born population at 8 million (12.6%). In 2015, the population of the UK was estimated to be around 65 million.

It is estimated that net migration plus births to foreign-born parents has accounted for 85% of population growth since 2000

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Future population Growth

If net migration continues at current levels the UK will become ever more crowded. Projections of future population growth have to make assumptions about net migration, birth rates and mortality but, in the UK, net migration at recent levels is by far the largest driver of population growth. The total fertility rate (TFR) is often used to represent the ‘birth rate’ of a population. It is the average number of children that the average woman would have if the fertility patterns of any given year were to continue over her reproductive years. In the last forty years TFR has remained fairly stable, between 1.7 and 1.9. Today the TFR is around 1.83. A TFR of 2.1 is required to replace the population in the long run.

The UK population is ageing as the birth rate has fallen since the last century and as life expectancy increases. This means that the ratio of people of working age to people over retirement age is declining (assuming that the working age remains as taken to be 16-64). Some claim that, as a result, more working age migrants are needed to fund the cost of caring for people in their old age. While immigration can moderate population ageing in the short term, the effect is not strong and migration cannot offer a solution to population ageing since, obviously, migrants also grow old. They would need to be replaced by an ever increasing flow of immigrants to have any major effect on the age structure of the UK. The result would be a substantial and continuing increase of the population, potentially without end.

In mid 2015, the UK population was estimated at around 65 million and net migration had averaged 242,000 over the previous ten years (see here).

The Office for National Statistics produces projections at different levels of net migration. This allows for an estimate of the impact of future migration on population growth. If net migration were reduced to zero (that is, the number of people entering and leaving the country were the same) the population would rise gradually to 67.7million in twenty-five years before gradually declining from the middle of the century.

In contrast, under the principal projection from the ONS with net migration at 185K, the population is expected to increase by a total of 9.7 million over the next twenty-five years, passing the 70 million mark sometime in 2026 (see here).

If net migration continues at around recent levels, then the population is projected to rise by 2.5 million over the next five years and to reach 73 million in the next 15 years. This is the ONS ‘high’ migration scenario of 265K per year. This increase of 8 million people is the equivalent of adding the combined population of Greater Manchester and the cities of Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool, Leicester, Leeds, Sheffield, Bradford, Nottingham, Portsmouth and Bristol.

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Originally posted by Steve
Davey, that's 6 million less people to find housing space for, road space for, hospital space for etc etc.

If you have plenty of room then numbers aren't a problem, when the country is full in towns and cities then even smaller number make a big difference

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