Ellis
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Linch - any ideas how much that costed you in total?
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richard_cooper
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This is a great threat for me, as im tuning my x16xe.
At the moment mine is:
Mantzel Inlet
magnex system
magnex decat
So i have some way to go yet before i get decent power
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by Chopster
what were the biggest power gainers for it? is it the gsi engine???
256bhp on a C16XE
245bhp on an X16
Many will argue this though.
Dave, how comes your loosing 5lb ft over andys engine with exactly the same power? Do you run a different cam profile or different length bodies?
V-max for a 214bhp 1.6 engine is 135mph in ? (bruntingthorpe, think its 1.5 miles).....
0-60 of 6 seconds.
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
0-60 of 6 seconds.
Fun fun fun
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Daimo B
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6.09 to be precise 
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Dean_W
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Ok smartypants 
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jr
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would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
Plus a re-map 
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richard_cooper
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What sort of power would i get with
mantzel
system
decat
manifold
264cams
headwork
remap
Thats the sort of sep-up i want
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SAL
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Registered: 19th Dec 05
Location: Radlett, Hertfordshire
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
i said the same spec to ant so mant time's it's boring me saying it 
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by richard_cooper
What sort of power would i get with
mantzel
system
decat
manifold
264cams
headwork
remap
Thats the sort of sep-up i want
140+ maybe
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richard_cooper
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by richard_cooper
What sort of power would i get with
mantzel
system
decat
manifold
264cams
headwork
remap
Thats the sort of sep-up i want
140+ maybe
That should be good them with a decent suspension set-up
Would aftermarket management give better gains ?
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by jr
would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
Plus a re-map
I'll go with that too.
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by richard_cooper
Would aftermarket management give better gains ?
I dont think it would, but not sure. As long as it's mapped properly by someone who knows what there doing.
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by jr
would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
Plus a re-map
dont need one IMO lexmaul wont make use of higher revs either
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James_H
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Registered: 16th Sep 07
Location: Slough, Berkshire
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What manifold is best then?
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tom_simes
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
Cams and headwork left for me then!
How much difference does headwork actually make? I guess not much to peak figures, but the overall driveability is much better?
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by jahunt
What manifold is best then?
Some say lexmaul, some say mantzel type. Lexmaul is an even spread of power whereas the mantzel type is peaky, 4K and above but sounds the nuts!!
The mantzel type replicas can be bought very cheap so i'd go for one of those purely for the saving.
quote:
Originally posted by tom_simes
How much difference does headwork actually make? I guess not much to peak figures, but the overall driveability is much better?
When i put the head on mine it was very smooth to drive, better fuel consumption and seemed to like to rev a bit more.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by jr
would go
Lexmaul
Decat
System
264 cams
head work
and be happy
Plus a re-map
dont need one IMO lexmaul wont make use of higher revs either
Disagree, mine was totally different with and without the remap, made about 8bhp more with that ECU in.
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Dean_W
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Surely if the cams etc have been changed then your best off getting it mapped regardless of which inlet it is using 
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
quote:
Originally posted by Chopster
what were the biggest power gainers for it? is it the gsi engine???
256bhp on a C16XE
245bhp on an X16
Many will argue this though.
Dave, how comes your loosing 5lb ft over andys engine with exactly the same power? Do you run a different cam profile or different length bodies?
Its a mystery, unless you overlap the 2 graphs from the 2 engines taken on the same dyno on the same day then its irrelevant. I do use a vastly different cam profile, but 5ft/lb is nothing, different dynos have a +/- of 15% sometimes. People say mine (Dyno Dynamics in general) under reads compared to others but people get so hung up on BHP figures for no reason, in reality its what happens between 1000 rpm and 9000 rpm that is important. Look at V-tec. It makes a very poor, sluggish torque and power curve for 3/4 of the rev range then goes a bit mental. compare a 1600cc vtec engine with a well set up 1600cc 'normal' engine and at the point just before it 'comes on vtec' the non vtec engine is usually producing as much as 30-40 bhp more!
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
Surely if the cams etc have been changed then your best off getting it mapped regardless of which inlet it is using
Mine didnt, and was amazing
also, apart from a unichip etc ? i havent seen a remap on a standard ecu unless its a genric one, which surely wont help with any mods ?
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Simon_16v
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What sorta power would be this?
X14XE
Cat-Back
4 branch manifold
Inlet manifold
De-Cat
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
also, apart from a unichip etc ? i havent seen a remap on a standard ecu unless its a genric one, which surely wont help with any mods ?
Probably not JR, but even a generic one would give it a little extra you would think
I know for definate MSD in blackpool can live map the standard ECU on the 1.6's. Costs about £500 for a session. Spoke to them 12/18 months ago.
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RCS
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
quote:
Originally posted by Chopster
what were the biggest power gainers for it? is it the gsi engine???
256bhp on a C16XE
245bhp on an X16
Many will argue this though.
Dave, how comes your loosing 5lb ft over andys engine with exactly the same power? Do you run a different cam profile or different length bodies?
Because bhp = torque*RPM / 5252.
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