Nick-S
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Well...... To day i am gutted 
Went to the PGAC rolling road day with 205tom today at Awesome gti in Irlam
the spec of my car is 1.7 cdti with
dtuk red tuneing box(£280)
blueflame turbo back ss exhaust syestem (£375)
pvd bfo air fillter (arond £100 or so back in the day)
i was expecting around 130bhp and 230lbs ft
nope
it made just 114 bhp and 224lbs ft just 14bhp more than standerd torque is up 47 lbs ft tho 
that is not evan the quoted power for the tuneing box on it own
Sooo obviously i am gutted and now i want to get rid of the car. What a disappointment
The thing is tho, on the road it feels alot quicker than 115 bhp 
looking at the graph he seemed to let of at 3800 rpm ish , the car dosent make peak power till 4400 acording to vauxhall and it quite happily revs to 5100 rpm
so all in all a quite a gutting and confuseing day for me
any 1 want to buy my car  
Nick
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jr
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stupid IMO
so you happy with how it drives, and everything on the road
but youve put a plug in and play tuning box on it, and suprised it didnt make the quoted power, so your selling.........
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Nick-S
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well no i not actually selling, i am just gutted and confused
box has been on since june BTW
[Edited on 01-12-2007 by GSi_16v]
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broster
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dont base all your opinions of your car on a power run.........
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Nick-S
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just confused to why its so low
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BeArDy
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Take it to regal and i am sure then will give it 300bhp on there rollers aslong as you buy somthing off them
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broster
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we had a case of this once,
bloke came in for a rolling road set up on an RST, he believed it to be 280bhp, anyway, 2 hours later jamies finished, says, right your cars done, made 265bhp, bloke goes mad saying how we lost him power etc etc etc, saying hell never come back, wont pay.
jamie says ok mate, heres the keys, if your not happy with it then dont come back, if your happy with it come back and pay
20mins later one very happy customer comes back saying his car is sooo much faster and never driven so well!
some companies give intersting power figures and suposed gains...... dont get to uset about it
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Nick-S
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supose i am just beeing stupid but i was expecting abit more than that, it certanly feel more on the road also what was with letting off at 3800 rmp ish
any ideas?
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broster
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power is dropping off by the looks of it, so no need to rev it more
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Nick-S
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it quite happly pulls to 5000rpm tho
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Rob B
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Don't sell it,best derv on here.
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broster
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maybe the rolling road rpm range wasn't set? easy mistake ot make.
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Nick-S
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only derv on here isnt it
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Nick-S
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quote:
Originally posted by broster
maybe the rolling road rpm range wasn't set? easy mistake ot make.
what diffrence would that make?
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broster
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the rpm scale wouldnt be correct
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ed
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I found that my car drove better without the tuning box. But it definately has more poke with it plugged in, and it makes clouds of black smoke with it plugged in too 
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Nick-S
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i dissagree it drive so much better with it on, mine smokes weather its on or off not realy bad tho
quite gutted as i cant evan get the shite denso ecu remapped because its thick as fuck 
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ed
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That's a supprise. I thought just about all newish ECU's could have a proper re-map
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Dave A
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broster is right, peak power isnt important.
I dyno'd a car today and forgot to change the calibration in the RPM range, it made an extra 47 ft/lb. spotted the mistake straight away though as it hit the limiter at 4800 rpm on the dyno screen.
Dyno's are a tool for testing and developing engines and associated parts, the last thing a dyno operator looks at when doing runs to test mods is the peak power, its whats between 1000 rpm and the peak revs that is more important than what power the car makes at a tiny portion of the end of the rev range (which is what peak power is)
I have some fantastic graphs to explain in more detail what I mean if people want to see them.
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Nick-S
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plz explane more dave, might make me feel better
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Colin
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Torque will make it feel quicker on the road, 47ftlb is a good increase. If your happy with it why get rid??
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Nick-S
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
That's a supprise. I thought just about all newish ECU's could have a proper re-map
yer seems other evey derv ecu apart from the denso 1 used on my car, no company will touch it
[Edited on 01-12-2007 by GSi_16v]
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Nick-S
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quote:
Originally posted by Colin
Torque will make it feel quicker on the road, 47ftlb is a good increase. If your happy with it why get rid??
because i was expecting more power 
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broster
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it can be flashed, but not actually "remapped"
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EarlofBarnet
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Ah well mate, if it drives well atleast that's something!
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