Robin
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carl, the reason you have to spend lots of money to get 140 odd out of a c/x16 is because vauxhall spent thousands reducing its power to suit their model range
having said that, its not overly expensive anyway, my 1.6 build will be costing me under £800, although i've pulled a few strings and got some cams free, but if i'd paid full price for everything, it woulda been about £1000, including the 1.6 engine, and i'm expecting 140-145bhp from it, so it is infact, cheaper than a c20xe transplant in this case
[Edited on 14-10-2005 by robmarriott]
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and-m
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Originally posted by robmarriott
an xe corsa stripped to the same standard as a 16xe corsa would still weigh 50kg more
agreed the torque wont match it, but vauxhall alledgedly had to detune the development c16xe's so much as they were making more power than the c20xe
the x16 would be easier for you anyway, as it uses the same mounts
I doubt seriously they were making more power.
[Edited on 14-10-2005 by and-m]
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Robin
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read previous page, or ask someone who works for vauxhall
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broster
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seriously this arguement will come up so many times, and already has, its getting kind of dull! some say 2ltr and some say 1.6 those thta say 2ltr are hood winked into thinking its better those with the 1.6 are the same.... its PERSONAL PREFERENCE! do you want a 1.6 or a 2ltr.... your call, you have to live with it........... you gotta pay for it so your bound to think its better!
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Robin
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 sorry mark.... i wont express my opinion anymore as people may argue
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broster
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good lad.....
1.6 is better 
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Ant
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Here we go again! lol i find it highly nulikely that a c20xe is 50kg heavier than a x16xe if you spend the same money on your 20xe that you do on x16xe 20xe WILL produce more power and torque, however you also have the cost of the engine mounts and drive shafts to think about when fitting 20xe
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Sly_SRi
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does anyone have the weight of an x16xe?? I weighed my c20xe with everything including gearbox and it was 130 Kg, is the x16 really only 80 Kg???
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Robin
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i'll find out
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Ant
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this would be good to know i reckon there will be about 20kg between the c20xe and x16xe
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Robin
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well... including shafts and hubs and mounts of course, apparently an let is 75kg more than ac16, and i doubt a c20 + conversion kit is more than 25kg less
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Rexy
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This argument comes up with novas all the time as well...
In My opinion, go for the engine conversion that suits your needs. Ie if your going for a 1/4 car then 20XE it. If you want a nice light nimble car then 16xe it... But remeber, power is nothing without control so either way sort the handeling out/braking first. Then add more power from there.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Rexy
This argument comes up with novas all the time as well...
In My opinion, go for the engine conversion that suits your needs. Ie if your going for a 1/4 car then 20XE it. If you want a nice light nimble car then 16xe it... But remeber, power is nothing without control so either way sort the handeling out/braking first. Then add more power from there.
i like you 
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Cheers fella...
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Ant
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think the let exhaust manifold ways a ton on its own!!! there is no answere here its exactly as rexy said, Will be interesting finding out the weight difference though
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quote:
Originally posted by Rexy
This argument comes up with novas all the time as well...
In My opinion, go for the engine conversion that suits your needs. Ie if your going for a 1/4 car then 20XE it. If you want a nice light nimble car then 16xe it... But remeber, power is nothing without control so either way sort the handeling out/braking first. Then add more power from there.
well put
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by and-m
quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
an xe corsa stripped to the same standard as a 16xe corsa would still weigh 50kg more
agreed the torque wont match it, but vauxhall alledgedly had to detune the development c16xe's so much as they were making more power than the c20xe
the x16 would be easier for you anyway, as it uses the same mounts
I doubt seriously they were making more power.
[Edited on 14-10-2005 by and-m]
well you better believe it 
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Originally posted by corsa120
yeh maybe cyber but but x16xe's only made around 140bhp in pre-production and never read was c16
also what to say this is true, we all though new astra vxr handled crap till tv mag said it was not using full running gear, and u say in certain developments what are these developments
[Edited on 14-10-2005 by corsa120]
X16XE making less power than C16XE in pre-production was probably down to EGR, smaller exhaust ports and lower compression
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Cybermonkey
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oh and by the way, 140bhp on the standard 6750 rev limit is pretty bloody good for a 1600 4cyl
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Kyle T
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For the guys with highly tuned 1600s, I assume that your modifications are mainly bolt on bits, tbs, uprated bits n bobs etc and according to brosters garage, hes running just under 140bhp.
Is it not possible to reverse vaux's doing to get 140bhp on the standard engine, and THEN bolt on all your uprated mabobs. Surely this will smash your current power outputs and put corsas into serious competition with the other similar cars (IE citroen pugs and fords.)
OR... am I just rambling on a load of bullshit?
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Kyle T
For the guys with highly tuned 1600s, I assume that your modifications are mainly bolt on bits, tbs, uprated bits n bobs etc and according to brosters garage, hes running just under 140bhp.
Is it not possible to reverse vaux's doing to get 140bhp on the standard engine, and THEN bolt on all your uprated mabobs. Surely this will smash your current power outputs and put corsas into serious competition with the other similar cars (IE citroen pugs and fords.)
OR... am I just rambling on a load of bullshit?
yes. in all honesty, there is no info on the exact spec vauxhall used when they were developing the C16XE, but it was probably the use of wilder cams, and a very short inlet tract. the whole idea and practice with the aftermarket inlet manifolds is to try and gain back some of that power lost when the engine was detuned, hence why fitting a lexmaul inlet manifold plus a few bits here and there can release a potential 20bhp.
if you were to spend a fortune redesigning the whole inlet from the airbox right through to the throttle body, you may well see some very impressive gains with the use of a custom exhaust.
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Kyle T
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Ah ok I see, but IF the exact proccess used by vaux could be obtained, theoretically (sp?) you could unlock more power than what people are achieving right now?
Im trying to word my questions properly but Im not quite sure what Im on about
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Cybermonkey
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yes, in theory i reckon its probable, but remember that Vauxhall/Opel/GM spent millions developing the 16XE
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Kyle T
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Ah well. Cheers anyway 
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Ant
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but early xe's also made silly power before being down tuned for production did they not?
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