Paddyg
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Maximuscle's Cyclone is very good if you're just starting out - look into it, top stuff
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Jas
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thers so many differant types aint ther... some richer than others..
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Jake
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Originally posted by Paddyg
Maximuscle's Cyclone is very good if you're just starting out - look into it, top stuff
over priced for what you get. Look into american brands (ie: dymatize, Optimum nutrition)
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bradfincham
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i use prolab pure whey,
protein shake and does the job for me, have 1 during the deal between a meal and then 1 after the gym!
used creatine last year and decided not to this time.
DONT do cardio and weights on same night its not good, i just do run and cross trainer 1 night a week, and the weights another night and go crazy on them. Lifted over 30 tonnes ha ha yesterday!
But try get on the free weights if you can as there the best!
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Nick A
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just come back from gym, nackered now, did a bit of everything, runing, cyclin, rowing, weights and swimming
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bradfincham
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but all depends on what your after, loosing weight or getting bigger, im just trying to make my frame better fit, rather then things just sagging ha ha!!
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Nick A
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true, am after a bit of evrything, lose the beer gut and tone up ready for summer!!!how often do u go a week???
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Super_si
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Maximuscle's Cyclone is very good if you're just starting out - look into it, top stuff
dont listen to all the sups crap
best sups Dbol!! in reality.
3 shakes a day then eat like a mother fucker basically!
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blundey
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddyg
Maximuscle's Cyclone is very good if you're just starting out - look into it, top stuff
dont listen to all the sups crap
best sups Dbol!! in reality.
3 shakes a day then eat like a mother fucker basically!
A few things....not being the no it all but here is some info for ya:
Sups crap? then you say take 3 shakes a day  anyway as far as supplements go....depends on what you want out of training. Go for a mass gainer with plenty of carbs and protien if you want to GAIN weight...obviously upping your calories. Things like Reflex are cheap and chearful and you get a good amount for the money. If your cutting weight but want to gain muscle in the process then a simple protien supplement will suffice...but go for whey protien not milk as this is not as well obsorbed.
The dbol comment i like for those of you that dont know dbol = dianabol which is an oral steroid. 17AA..which is liver toxic...so its best to run liver protectants such as milk thistle or ALA whilst doing dianabol depending on how much you value your liver.
Im no massive body builder but have been part of muscletalk.co.uk for 2 years or more now and my breother also owns a bodybuilding company here...so any questions or whatever id be happy to help...if youd rather more professional info related to bodybuilding then goto the site above they are all very hewlpful.
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Carl
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cheers for the info, so i need a carb and protein combo then. Cheers.
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Jake
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in regards to the milk thistle whilst taking dianabol. Ive always had a strong opinion that it does sweet FA. I would say its just about strong enough to help the liver regen after a night on the piss
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blundey
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a good place for getting supplements is www.monstersupplements.org i think or .net or .com
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blundey
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milk thistle and ala are both proven to work..however the strenght of them i do not know about. Most people i know use both but they cycle anadrol and dbol to kick start there cycles.
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Jake
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anadrol and dbol cant be good for the ol' liver!
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Super_si
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I use MT too, but im strength orientated not BB.
Supps are over rated, imho ive never used them and pack alot muscle on just with a good diet! thats all you need eat like a horse
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Super_si
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Originally posted by jakethesnake
in regards to the milk thistle whilst taking dianabol. Ive always had a strong opinion that it does sweet FA. I would say its just about strong enough to help the liver regen after a night on the piss
same goes, im not bothering with it. Drink plenty water, reccomended dose is 1000mg ED 
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Jake
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I use MT too, but im strength orientated not BB.
Supps are over rated, imho ive never used them and pack alot muscle on just with a good diet! thats all you need eat like a horse
It's all about the diet. You can train for 30minutes a day or 3 hours a day, you aint getting anywhere without rest and nutrients. Although i do believe protein supplements are a massive help especially post workout, but at the end of the day, its JUST a supplement. Nothing beats proper meals.
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Super_si
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precisely! I dont usually go over an hour.
big main lift, 2/3 supplementary excercises them im totally fried!
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Jake
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its best not to. in actual fact my best workouts were those of 45minutes. I used to train one muscle group per day but i found that once the muscle had recovered (2-3 days) it wouldnt get another hammering in time. I found the best way to train was to do a 4 day split (back/bis, shoulders/abs, legs, chest/tris)
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Super_si
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i dont have time!
Mines
Legs/hams
chest,shoulders tris
back maybe bi's not that important
sunday cardio for the old er........ heart
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blundey
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i believe strong;y with supplements. Specially when u havent got time to cook 3 meals a day. Plus with hard gainers...its added calories. 3 meals plus 3 shakes is like 6 meals a day. Its more of a convienience thing. Also whey protien is by far the easiest protien to absorb.
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Danny P
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How comes Cardio and weights on the same day is day is bad for you??
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Super_si
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to do with the catabolic state i think.
I have 3 shakes eat 5/6 solid meals too.
[Edited on 17-02-2005 by Super_si]
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Fraser Young
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quote:
Originally posted by Danny P
How comes Cardio and weights on the same day is day is bad for you??
lol, quite complicated, but biochemically,
Strength training produces molecules called PDK1 and mTOR for progress
where endurance training produces PGC1(alpha) and AMPK for progress
To cut long story short AMPK inhibits mTOR molecule and the bulk of the weight training is pointless...
In each case the molecules are elevated then die down to normal after roughly 24hrs
Sorry mini essay 
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stubbsy
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as said its best to eat lots, but make sure that hey ar the right things that you are eating, my brother has 6 meals a day, eat not too your maximum just little and often.
i train near enough every day, used to do weights but alot more into fitness now and personally feel alot better for it also remember
Veriety is the spice of life, try to change around routines etc as if you do the same ones over and over it doesnt just become menotemous but your body quickly adapts to this 1 set routine, try to change it about abit or do diffarent sorts of exercises which train the same muscles
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