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Ojc

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25th Feb 04 at 17:16

Stoney, seems like they give it a good review.

They say its the same as the Mantzel box so, looks like its Velos for me also

Stoneyginger

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25th Feb 04 at 17:19

yeah they seem to say the same as Mantzel

....................Off to get ready for work i'll let you know soon as i know what i'm doing

Ojc

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25th Feb 04 at 17:19

I only need the box, I will have to get it mapped with a Unichip for the rest of the engines mods at a later date when I can drive it somewhere for a few hours on the rollers to get it running at properly and at full power.

Andy

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25th Feb 04 at 17:23

There's probably little difference in real performance terms between Velos and mantzel boxes, though you'd need a RR test of the two side by side to see the differences in the torque curves. As for TUV approval, it's more relevant for products sold in Germany as they have to comply with strict emissions regs; personally it wouldn't bother me if I were choosing. Most important thing is to get the mapping right. When I had 153bhp with Mantzel box, I was running a Unichip. One RR session, Mark turned the Unichip off and ran it on standard management. Power dropped to 123bhp and mid range torque took a nosedive - it ran like a bag of shite. Not sure what the maps the chips offered by mantzel and Velos run, but if I would plump for a Unichip everytime, especially as any future engine/manifold mods would make the fixed map in the chips less suitable - a Unichip is mappable as often as you like

Ojc

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25th Feb 04 at 17:26

So what spec were you running when you got 153bhp on the rollers Andy?

vibrio

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25th Feb 04 at 17:28

quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
email them and ask if any of their products work on a 1.2 16v

or whether 1 of them can be adapted

if yes I may be very interested for a low price

think you'll just be stuck for the dbalis inlet

Ojc

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25th Feb 04 at 17:29

And going by Patricks Dbalis crap, I would'nt bother

Andy

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25th Feb 04 at 17:37

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
So what spec were you running when you got 153bhp on the rollers Andy?

Gas flowed and ported head, SBD 4-2-1 manifold, Schrick 264 degree cams, Unichip plus raised rev limit, straight through de-cat exhaust

m4tt_c

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25th Feb 04 at 17:52

quote:
Originally posted by fadscorsa

quote:
Originally posted by Joff
Both the same in principle but the Mantzel looks better and has TUV approval.

was just about to say this

also went out in JR's car and drove it and got to say mantzel box's make a lot of diff not sure about velos torque tubes tho?

Essex racer has one and he's got 115bhp ish from his on his 1.4 16v i do belive

there's no way you can know what difference the mantzel box has made as all the engine mods were done together.

m4tt_c

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25th Feb 04 at 17:54

quote:
Originally posted by Andy

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
So what spec were you running when you got 153bhp on the rollers Andy?

Gas flowed and ported head, SBD 4-2-1 manifold, Schrick 264 degree cams, Unichip plus raised rev limit, straight through de-cat exhaust

exactly what my, well jr's engine is now

except its a 1.4 instead of a 1.6

Andy

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25th Feb 04 at 17:56

Matt - how's it hanging? What are driving these days?

PainZ

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25th Feb 04 at 18:39

Adisri wants one of these,

u2u him

Ojc

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25th Feb 04 at 19:10

quote:
Originally posted by Andy

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
So what spec were you running when you got 153bhp on the rollers Andy?

Gas flowed and ported head, SBD 4-2-1 manifold, Schrick 264 degree cams, Unichip plus raised rev limit, straight through de-cat exhaust

I'll be getting the SBD 4-2-1 manifold, unichip with raised rev limiter, the exhaust is straight through already, I just need the cams. I won't be getting it flowed and ported just yet.

How much did the cams set you back if you don't mind me asking?

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25th Feb 04 at 20:58

Mantzel box's work much better on the C16XE units. X16XE units seem to give similar power with box velos and mantzel. Velos is cheap, mantzel is expensive (blame courtenay sport).

After seeing JR's car the other day, i'd still opt for the mantzel box. Especially seeing all the Velos equiped 1.6 16v's running 140bhp ish doing 16's 1/4 still.

Nath

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25th Feb 04 at 21:00

u2u sent Stoney

Ojc

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25th Feb 04 at 21:25

Whats the point in opting for the Mantzel when the Velos box can do exactly the same thing with the same gains and for a much smaller amount of money?

Nath

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25th Feb 04 at 21:29

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
Whats the point in opting for the Mantzel when the Velos box can do exactly the same thing with the same gains and for a much smaller amount of money?

Totally agree, who cares what it looks like either.

M4tt

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25th Feb 04 at 21:47

if i was to buy one of these for my 1.6, and didn't buy a chip would it lose torque?

what kinda power would it be making?

Stoneyginger

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25th Feb 04 at 21:49

The Mantzel box was cheap for Daimo seen as he got it for £50 then sold it on

Stoneyginger

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25th Feb 04 at 21:50

M4tt mate you would lose torque but in order to gain this back you need to raise the rev limit as the peak power and torque will be going on after the standard rev limit

Nath

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25th Feb 04 at 21:52

So unless you get a chip and raised rev limiter it may not be worthwhile?

M4tt

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25th Feb 04 at 21:55

hmmm, i don't want to rev the tits of my engine really, thats why i didn't want to get a raised limit.

might just go for the lexmaul on standard limit, i know it doesn't give the same power, but it works better with standard management ( doesn't it?)

Stoneyginger

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25th Feb 04 at 21:56

I never said that mate

the car will act as usualy up till about 4.5 - 5000rpm then it will pull soo hard

you will still notice a huge difference

M4tt

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25th Feb 04 at 21:58

so where will i lose the torque?

how much is a chip and what chip would i be looking for and how will it affect insuracne

Stoneyginger

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25th Feb 04 at 22:02

does no-one read anything

i posted a link in the first post ........... go to the site, read the information, look at the power graph then come back to me

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