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[quote][i]Originally posted by Ian[/i] [quote][i]Originally posted by Fonz[/i] i know there is half a dozen individuals in my former local who have an attitude and approach to "immigration" (to use that in the broadest of senses) which is less than appealing or would be seen as "acceptable". [/quote] Either you're being diplomatic or that's exactly my issue - not acceptable in whose view? You might find they have a perfectly rational position but its not acceptable to liberals. Don't confuse perfectly sound points of view which are not currently fashionable for unacceptable or untenable views. I for one don't particularly like the fact the population is massive and immigration has a part to play in that. I also worry about healthcare and teaching systems in other countries while we in the UK are attracting (poaching) all the best talent to come here for our benefit. Meanwhile the home country suffers because all the good staff have left. That's not a particularly fashionable point of view but it doesn't mean its not valid. You just couldn't say it on Twitter because whatever career you had would be over when the liberal conformists emailed your employer. I'm quite lucky in that no one can sack me, which does give me the opportunity to say things which I otherwise couldn't. Can you imagine working in education and saying you don't think the UK should poach overseas talent, you'd be branded a racist before the day is out and it wouldn't matter what actual work you were doing with actual students of whatever actual race/background/level of oppression/prior experience/future life opportunity, your actual attitude towards it matters far less than you perceived attitude. Ditto your "unsavory" neighbours. You might find some rational points of view. You might even find the particularly unsavory points could be talked through and discussed and you might be able to shape a conversation if there was anything unsound in there. Which is the liberals' mistake - these things are now such a taboo that the long and hard-held beliefs of the little Englanders will fester and grow because its not possible to even talk about it. We pedal out the same old shit, you can't talk about it because you're white, you can't understand because you're a man, you can't empathise because you're straight. Well I'm sorry but despite being all of those I also have my own brain, as does anyone else who has anything to say on any debate. Or we can carry on being prejudice to these people and judging them - these "unsavory" people whose voice we don't even want to hear. Now who has prejudice? [Edited on 25-06-2020 by Ian] [/quote]
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