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[quote][i]Originally posted by SetH[/i] Ian, I am not sure of anything and I am not drawing any conclusions I am just presenting alternative perspectives to generate discussion because everyone else on SM are just bleating the official narrative without even stopping to think and social virtue signalling is off the scale. The errors you pointd out by bhakdi, well look at the governments advisor Neil Ferguson. He told us half a million were going to die in the UK, he prompted mass hysteria and people going out and panic buying chest freezers then emptying the supermarkets. He revised that figure to 20,000 and then 5,700. I guess this is a sign that no one really knows? Interesting that the minutes of a crisis meeting have been leaked. A meeting that was held back in February where the government discussed the outbreak in china, the one death in Italy and that cruise ship at the height of its outbreak. They decided the threat to the UK was moderate. Fairly clear to me that they acted too late, have been playing catch up ever since and the lockdown could have possibly been prevented. I understand where the tin foil experts are coming from with regards to the 1984 police state theories although they are being a tad extremist. Every crisis we have had the government has always sneaked in additional legislations which usually result in the loss of some of our liberties and freedoms, these compound over time. These are implemented under the guise of 'our safety', 'stop it happening again' etc, I won't go into detail here as the scope is vast but aftermath of 9/11, 7/7, London bridge 'stabbings', I don't acknowledge that as a 'terror attack'. A terror attack was bombs going of in the south of thailand due to islam extremists maiming and killing hundreds (this was going at the same time as the london bridge stabbings) anyway I digress. I'd just like to point out the financial aid packages released by the Chancellor and how he has stated that after this he will be raising self employed taxation and justified it by saying SE people are now getting employed benefits. I am sorry but that is sneaky as fuck and if Covid-19 had not happened I don't think this tax raise would have ever had a chance of getting through parliament, would have been rejected. Let's wait and see what other measures the Government implement on the back of this and you start to get the ingredients that feed the tin foil brigade. Heavy handed policing is not helping, the extent to which it is happening I am unsure and not seen much reported but I expect it won't be. However, true story. I know a guy yesterday that had not left his house for an entire week, he ran out of squash and decided to drive 3 miles to the large Tesco in Norwich. He was pulled over by the police, fined £30 and told that 'squash' is not an essential food item. So WTF is an essential item? I have not seen a list published by the Government? This guy was obeying and had been in his house a whole week, he suffers from mental health problems and is not in a good way right now and he is having to deal with this treatment from the police. More fuel for tin foil brigade on erosions of freedom, I am not one of these people but I can see their perspective. I know two nurses on the frontline, one messaged me this morning she said they are nowhere near capacity right now as because so many people are staying at home they have had a huge reduction in traffic allowing them to focus on the right patients. Hopefully hospitals will be able to manage in the UK unless this thing really blows up. Also keeping a close eye on Singapore (they never closed schools) and Sweden which are not locking down. On the economy, well people started relaxing with the rally we saw last week on markets. I believe that to be a dead cat bounce if you go back and look at all the data over the last 90 years. The DOW and S&P500 futures lost nearly 3% over night after Trumps shaky press conference, be interesting to see what they open at today. The long term implications to millions if the economy is allowed to die are severe. Waiting to see the unemployment figures released for the UK, I expect the Government does not want much focus on them. 3.2 million in the USA was just the beginning. I wonder if we will see a phased lifting of the lockdown in the near future? I can't see it being lifted overnight and I think places of high contagion risk such as gyms, bars etc may be the last places to open. I managed to get some gym kit for my garage as I can't seem gyms opening for some time until testing is in place. Agree entirely with your thoughts on testing, it really is key. [/quote]
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