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miles

posted on 2nd Jan 04 at 18:37

My 1.4 16v had an F15. I thought they all did, even though haynes says F13.


broster

posted on 2nd Jan 04 at 16:29

the cams are different, i have c16xe cams and x14xe cams here at my house and the exhaust cam on the c16xe is different


Daimo B

posted on 2nd Jan 04 at 12:13

quote:
Originally posted by corsa120
daimo im not arguing im just saying what the mecjanics found when changing my engine lol i cant help it if its not the one ur talking about plus just cos the 1.6 reaches 119 mph and 1.4 reaches 117 mph dont make all the difference purly cos of other things such x16xe cams different ratio and fact of bein 200cc bigger etc etc


Cams in the 1.4 and 1.6 16v i thought were the same? Top ends are the same, bottom ends are different?

cc etc?? Why, if the limiter is at 6620rpm using an F13 box then it simply wont allow the speed to be about 117mph!!!!

And Ainsly, im not saying im perfect? WTF is that about?

So, vauxhall used the same engines for what 7 years, all done the same speed, sam 0-60, same 0-100, same top end, but they have different gearboxes?

Quite how you can work that out i dont know!


broster

posted on 2nd Jan 04 at 10:52

cheers, ill see if i can see it


lee mitchell

posted on 2nd Jan 04 at 10:51

just behing the gearselector closer to the bulkhead side


broster

posted on 2nd Jan 04 at 10:39

thats good then cuz i have a 97 16v, so it may have a f15 box, how can i tell, i guess itll be stamped somewhere, where abouts?


ainsley_brader

posted on 1st Jan 04 at 11:10

quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
quote:
Originally posted by ainsley_brader
1.4 16Vs came with F15 if not all then certainly some!

1.8 cav is big block so wouldnt have been fitted with an F15 it would be F16.

97 1.4 and 1.6 16Vs inc sport and CDX were both fitted with identical ratios. I belive the GSi had a different ratio final drive though!


1.4 16v DID NOT come with F15 gb :mad: Read the replies :lol: CDX is a 1.4. 1.6 16v retained the F15 gearbox. How else does it make 119mph with a gearbox that only allows 117mph on the standard 6620rpm limiter???

GSi will have the F15 box.


Daimo you are not perfect you read the replies. I build gearboxes for a living. I know some 1.4 16vs had the F15 box i'm not saying they all did. The ratios in the 97 16vs are ALL the same.

[Edited on Thursday 1st January 2004 by ainsley_brader]


corsa120

posted on 31st Dec 03 at 12:45

daimo im not arguing im just saying what the mecjanics found when changing my engine lol i cant help it if its not the one ur talking about plus just cos the 1.6 reaches 119 mph and 1.4 reaches 117 mph dont make all the difference purly cos of other things such x16xe cams different ratio and fact of bein 200cc bigger etc etc


Daimo B

posted on 31st Dec 03 at 11:53

quote:
Originally posted by ainsley_brader
1.4 16Vs came with F15 if not all then certainly some!

1.8 cav is big block so wouldnt have been fitted with an F15 it would be F16.

97 1.4 and 1.6 16Vs inc sport and CDX were both fitted with identical ratios. I belive the GSi had a different ratio final drive though!


1.4 16v DID NOT come with F15 gb :mad: Read the replies :lol: CDX is a 1.4. 1.6 16v retained the F15 gearbox. How else does it make 119mph with a gearbox that only allows 117mph on the standard 6620rpm limiter???

GSi will have the F15 box.


ainsley_brader

posted on 31st Dec 03 at 10:30

1.4 16Vs came with F15 if not all then certainly some!

1.8 cav is big block so wouldnt have been fitted with an F15 it would be F16.

97 1.4 and 1.6 16Vs inc sport and CDX were both fitted with identical ratios. I belive the GSi had a different ratio final drive though!


Keith Piper

posted on 30th Dec 03 at 17:31

Not all 1.6s had F15 boxes. We had to buy 4 from our local breakers before we got one, (which came from a 1.8 Cav.). We then had to change the input shaft bearing as it was 1mm different in size. Good old Quaiffe internals.


Cybermonkey

posted on 30th Dec 03 at 16:27

thats right daimo, a higher final drive.


Daimo B

posted on 30th Dec 03 at 10:03

quote:
Originally posted by corsa120
oh thats funny cos i had 1.4 16v and when i had 1.6 16v put in this question was raised and i never had to change it in the end due to it bein same box as 1.6 anyway

according to vauxhall at the time it was 1.2 16v that had f13

i never had the swop at vauxhall but my garage phoned up vauxhall to find out


I had a 1.4 16v :lol: I know my own gearbox :P

F13 box will go on 1.6 engines. Luke Thomas is running an F13 gb on his 1.6 16v Turbo/Mantzel box. Hence why i know on the standard limiter the F13 box only hts 117mph. 1.6 goes faster than that as standard (119mph (X16)).


Cybermonkey

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 19:03

also, 4/5 and final have different ratios on the F15 over F13.


J da Silva

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 18:49

same design really, f15 is a tad stronger


corsa120

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 18:48

oh thats funny cos i had 1.4 16v and when i had 1.6 16v put in this question was raised and i never had to change it in the end due to it bein same box as 1.6 anyway

according to vauxhall at the time it was 1.2 16v that had f13

i never had the swop at vauxhall but my garage phoned up vauxhall to find out


Kris TD

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 17:41

its the same box really, just has a thicker casing. at the end of the day it will be fine, my td has an f13 and it has more torque than a 1.6 petrol ever will


Daimo B

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 17:19

YEah, it'll fit, same as an F16, F18, F20, F28 will fit an XE.

But F13 came on the 1.2/1.4 16v and the F15 on the 1.6.


broster

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 16:51

but a 1.4 gear box will be ok on a 1.6 up to 130ft lb torque, itll fit


Daimo B

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 16:44

No they aint!

1.4 came with the F13
1.6 came with the F15.


broster

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 16:18

cheers thought as much!


corsa120

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 16:15

there the same


broster

posted on 29th Dec 03 at 16:10

whats the diff between the 1.4 16v sport gearbox and the 1.6 16v gear box?